Capone Flip-Flops on Party vs. Stars SNGs + POLL

[Al_Capone_Junior]

OK. Time to pull a flip-flop. I am always willing to change my mind if I am clearly shown to be wrong, or if conditions change over time and one point of view becomes more favorable over another that was top dog in the past.

Well, that's what happened here.

I'm switching to the Pro-Party SNG team and abandoning the Pro-Stars SNG team.

Why? Cuz stars has become a friggin' rock garden, especially in the daytime, when I am usually online. (thank the Poker Gods I'll be in vegas soon and won't be online anymore at all, except for the rare 2+2 event).

I mean seriously, I have not noticed any difference between the $22 and the $55 or $109 sit and goes on stars lately! Fking ROCK gardens! I tend to play the small ones real early in the morning, before I wake up. I mix it up during the day too, sometimes bigger ones, sometimes smaller ones, sometimes ring games. I also tend to avoid known 2+2ers.

Yea, of course you still have idiots in every SNG, at every level, on every site. But they are disappearing at stars faster than they are getting replaced. I guess because stars has about the best software (or close to it) of any site, all the best players tend to congregate there and stay there. Both ring games and SNGs at stars have gotten much harder to beat over time.

In contrast, all the newest, stupidest players tend to go to party. I guess it's because they advertise the most strategically, and have the most aggressive affiliate programs, so they get more newbies.

In contrast, I started playing more SNGs at party/empire, and have noticed a definite trend toward making more $$ there than at stars, lately it's been a LOT more money.

It's very unfortunate, but party/empire has the easiest ring games, easiest SNGs, easiest everything. Therefore I am basically going to abandon stars completely (save for 2+2 thingies) and play on party/empire.

Flip-Flop.



al

[Profit]

I only play the lower level SNG's, but have come to the same conclusion over the past month....

[M.B.E.]

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I tend to play the small ones real early in the morning, before I wake up.

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Alas, I too am finding that I can no longer beat the game in my sleep.

[Tosh]

I agree. Its a shame because Stars is unmatched in every aspect except its density of fish. It is a better place to learn though for people intending to go further than just beating on weak players.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

You know, Al, I am also one who has long been anti-Party for SNGs because of the structure, but Ive seen some things recently that may change my mind, plus, they gave me $50 of free money last month. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

So last night I feel like playing about an hour before bed and there's a $5 NL ready to go, so I say WTF and enter. Well before the first round is done we're down to 6 players.

I took out the third guy to go. I was in the BB w/AKs. 3 limpers and the button makes it 200, so I push in and he calls with ATo and I double up.

I go on to win, but the strangest thing happens when we're 4-handed and I'm the big stack at 100/200.

UTG limps, and the SB (with about 1300) min-raises, so I fold. UTG calls. I forget exactly what cards show, but the flop is monochrome, The SB bets 500, UTG calls. A blank hits on the turn, SB bets 250, UTG calls. River is another blans, SB checks, UTG puts him in, and SB calls off the rest of his chips with Ace-high.

Maybe there is a good reason to play there.

[DrPhysic]

Al,

I agree with what you are saying, and especially with Tosh's comment about Stars being the better learning ground. There is a time, however, to put some money in the account, and I'm about there.

Are there other sites than just party that people would recommend? Ultimate? Paradise? Pacific? etc?

I would be interested in any feedback from the 2+2ers as to what sites they feel are easier than stars for a reasonably tight aggressive learner to pick up some bucks.

Doc

[William]

Funny, I have been posting for some days now about how tight/bad Stars has becomed, and I have seen many threads about the same subject.

I have always been a Party hater, because of their bad customer service and the lousy software that crashes all the time, but I have now been playing there for the last 10 days or so, it hasen't crashed once and the games are incredible soft. I haven't played NL ring games, but the SNGs, the tourneys and the limit games are all good. I guess the CS problem can be handled by avoiding to talk to them.

True Poker is also a good place to play, but you can only play one table.

I guess there are plenty of small size sites with fish, but how secure is your money?

I see no reason to play anywhere else than Party and coming from me (party hater) it's a hell of a recomendation.

Good hunting,
William [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[Stoneii]

I'm so glad Al posted this. I thought it was just me but I've always played exclusively on Stars as I wanted to learn from the better players and I think I am. That said, I've been having a much harder time on SnG's than I had ever noticed in the months up until now.

It is becoming a rockier garden. This morning, a newbie mate of mine (who plays in B&M games with me and who I recommended to Stars for learning) was in and signed up for a $10+1. I joined him for a bit of banter and craic. There were 1 or two loose cannons for sure but it was unbelievably tight.

You know what's happened!! They all sit on the rail and watch the 2+2 tight-assed Euro games on Tuesday nights and think that's how it should always be. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

stoneii (drawing a modicum of comfort now from his SnG results of late [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img])

[mrbaseball]

I often play low level sng's at paradise and I have noticed that they have really turned rocky too. Often it will be level III before someone goes down. Used to be a couple in level one everytime [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[ThaSaltCracka]

I am going to stick with stars, I don't want to dumb down my play. I would rather play at the level I am at, which allows for few mistakes, then open my game up, which can lead to only loose play and more mistakes.

although maybe its worth to try out for some easy money. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
hmmm.... I haven't been on Party for a while. Do they use Neteller?