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Old 05-11-2004, 11:53 AM
MAxx MAxx is offline
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Default J-10 Offsuit Leak, Suggestions?

I just discovered that I have been overvalueing J-10 offsuit preflop, by looking at how much I have lost with this hand using pokertracker. I have pretty much been limping from anywhere with it in unraised pots. I was actually surprised to discover this, because I am generally very tight preflop. This made me realize also that I am probably getting into trouble when I get a piece of the flop, instead of the straight draw. How do you suggest playing J-10 offsuit?
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Old 05-11-2004, 11:57 AM
Kluddeludde Kluddeludde is offline
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Default Re: J-10 Offsuit Leak, Suggestions?

I would fold this one in early and middle position. Raise if first in in late position and limp with it if there are callers before you in unraised pots.

Some will advocate folding this one even in late position. I believe you are giving up too much if you do that.

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Old 05-11-2004, 11:57 AM
Rico Suave Rico Suave is offline
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Default Re: J-10 Offsuit Leak, Suggestions?

Hey Maxx:

I will limp with JTo after limpers from the button. (sometimes from the CO if the players are especially bad and players to my left are passive preflop). Oh.... and I will play it out of the blinds.

JTo ain't all its cracked up to be.

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Old 05-11-2004, 01:27 PM
Sarge85 Sarge85 is offline
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Default Re: J-10 Offsuit Leak, Suggestions?

Just One -

Don't play it.

The game would need to be ideal to see a flop with this hand. I'd need like 6 limpers, have the button, and was damn sure the blinds weren't going to get fancy on me.

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Old 05-11-2004, 01:33 PM
Little Fishy Little Fishy is offline
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Default Re: J-10 Offsuit Leak, Suggestions?

the reason JTs is so good is it's the highest suited conectors where you can catch a strait in either dirrection. If they're off suit, you loose your flush draw and they go way way way down in value. even in an unraised pot calling with JTo is hardly better than any two mid level cards. I know it's Texas Hold'em but in any but an ideal situation, I say Fold'em.
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Old 05-11-2004, 01:46 PM
Bob T. Bob T. is offline
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Default Re: J-10 Offsuit Leak, Suggestions?

For the most part, don't play it.

Good luck,
play well,

Bob T.
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Old 05-11-2004, 03:15 PM
StellarWind StellarWind is offline
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Default Re: J-10 Offsuit Leak, Suggestions?

Unsuited connectors are junk. Play JTo only in favorable LP situations. One underappreciated advantage of suited connectors is that having two types of draw often gives value to the backdoor draws. The straight draw keeps you in the pot long enough to make a backdoor flush or vice-versa.

BTW, T9o is much weaker than JTo.

I have a suspicion you also play QJo too much. Usually avoid it before LMP.
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Old 05-11-2004, 05:03 PM
Haupt_234 Haupt_234 is offline
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Default Re: J-10 Offsuit Leak, Suggestions?

I found the same leak using my PT.

Simple solution for me, not playing it unless it's suited.

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Old 05-11-2004, 05:06 PM
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Default Wait\'ll he hears...

Wait till he hears about how QJ and KJo should generally be mucked in early position. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Heck, I'm folding KQo UTG and UTG+1 in a 10 man game at the moment.

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Old 05-11-2004, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: J-10 Offsuit Leak, Suggestions?


I second that. I'm usually mucking it from the button also. QJo is a tricky hand as well, that I am mucking in EP.
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