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Old 04-29-2004, 11:57 AM
southerndog southerndog is offline
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Default Why I am embarrassed to say I went to UMass.


There are so many dweebs at this school trying to look smart or something. When I was there, they protested the Minuteman now crap like this from some moron grad student. I feel bad for Daryn that he has to be around these people. Here is the article that Rene Gonzalez has written for the campus newspaper... An other wise decent campus newspaper. ( When I was there.)

Pat Tillman is not a hero: He got what was coming to him

By Rene Gonzalez
April 28, 2004


When the death of Pat Tillman occurred, I turned to my friend who was watching the news with me and said, "How much you want to bet they start talking about him as a 'hero' in about two hours?" Of course, my friend did not want to make that bet. He'd lose. In this self-critical incapable nation, nothing but a knee-jerk "He's a hero" response is to be expected.

I've been mystified at the absolute nonsense of being in "awe" of Tillman's "sacrifice" that has been the American response. Mystified, but not surprised. True, it's not everyday that you forgo a $3.6 million contract for joining the military. And, not just the regular army, but the elite Army Rangers. You know he was a real Rambo, who wanted to be in the "real" thick of things. I could tell he was that type of macho guy, from his scowling, beefy face on the CNN pictures. Well, he got his wish. Even Rambo got shot in the third movie, but in real life, you die as a result of being shot. They should call Pat Tillman's army life "Rambo 4: Rambo Attempts to Strike Back at His Former Rambo 3 Taliban Friends, and Gets Killed."

But, does that make him a hero? I guess it's a matter of perspective. For people in the United States, who seem to be unable to admit the stupidity of both the Afghanistan and Iraqi wars, such a trade-off in life standards (if not expectancy) is nothing short of heroic. Obviously, the man must be made of "stronger stuff" to have had decided to "serve" his country rather than take from it. It's the old JFK exhortation to citizen service to the nation, and it seems to strike an emotional chord. So, it's understandable why Americans automatically knee-jerk into hero worship.

However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot. Tillman, in the absurd belief that he was defending or serving his all-powerful country from a seventh-rate, Third World nation devastated by the previous conflicts it had endured, decided to give up a comfortable life to place himself in a combat situation that cost him his life. This was not "Ramon or Tyrone," who joined the military out of financial necessity, or to have a chance at education. This was a "G.I. Joe" guy who got what was coming to him. That was not heroism, it was prophetic idiocy.

Tillman, probably acting out his nationalist-patriotic fantasies forged in years of exposure to Clint Eastwood and Rambo movies, decided to insert himself into a conflict he didn't need to insert himself into. It wasn't like he was defending the East coast from an invasion of a foreign power. THAT would have been heroic and laudable. What he did was make himself useful to a foreign invading army, and he paid for it. It's hard to say I have any sympathy for his death because I don't feel like his "service" was necessary. He wasn't defending me, nor was he defending the Afghani people. He was acting out his macho, patriotic crap and I guess someone with a bigger gun did him in.

Perhaps it's the old, dreamy American thought process that forces them to put sports greats and "larger than life" sacrificial lambs on the pedestal of heroism, no matter what they've done. After all, the American nation has no other role to play but to be the cheerleaders of the home team; a sad role to have to play during conflicts that suffer from severe legitimacy and credibility problems.

Matters are a little clearer for those living outside the American borders. Tillman got himself killed in a country other than his own without having been forced to go over to that country to kill its people. After all, whether we like them or not, the Taliban is more Afghani than we are. Their resistance is more legitimate than our invasion, regardless of the fact that our social values are probably more enlightened than theirs. For that, he shouldn't be hailed as a hero, he should be used as a poster boy for the dangerous consequences of too much "America is #1," frat boy, propaganda bull. It might just make a regular man irrationally drop $3.6 million to go fight in a conflict that was anything but "self-defense." The same could be said of the unusual belief of 50 percent of the American nation that thinks Saddam Hussein was behind Sept. 11. One must indeed stand in awe of the amazing success of the American propaganda machine. It works wonders.

Al-Qaeda won't be defeated in Afghanistan, even if we did kill all their operatives there. Only through careful and logical changing of the underlying conditions that allow for the ideology to foster will Al-Qaeda be defeated. Ask the Israelis if 50 years of blunt force have eradicated the Palestinian resistance. For that reason, Tillman's service, along with that of thousands of American soldiers, has been wrongly utilized. He did die in vain, because in the years to come, we will realize the irrationality of the War on Terror and the American reaction to Sept. 11. The sad part is that we won't realize it before we send more people like Pat Tillman over to their deaths.

Rene Gonzalez is a UMass graduate student.

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Old 04-29-2004, 12:01 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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I heard the Editor of the paper on radio yesterday. He said that most of the staff was appalled at Gonzalez' take on Tillman.

Hey freedom of speech and the press. He's free to write what he thinks, and we're free to let him know we think he's an idiot.
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Old 04-29-2004, 12:32 PM
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Could be worse. You could have gone to Yale. Bush and Kerry went there.
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Old 04-29-2004, 12:42 PM
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maybe Daryn is a 2+2 pseudomyn for Rene Gonzalez? I don't know, I've never met the guy or been to Massachusets, for that matter. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 04-29-2004, 12:42 PM
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I'm really angry that WEEI read this on the air. Why give this scumbag any publicity?

There are two possibilities:

1. Gonzalez is out for publicity, and succeeded in getting it.

2. Gonzalez is a self-loathing quasi-American that has no appreciation for the freedoms we enjoy in this country--(despite taking full advantage of them by writing that despicable column).

3. Both of the above.

I think 3 is most likely the case.

It's because of people like Pat Tillman that we have rights like freedom of the press. Tillman was without a doubt one of the most un-selfish, patriotic men this country has known in a very long time. We should all appreciate the ultimate sacrifice that he made, and we should refrain from giving ANY publicity to self-interested scumbags like Gonzalez, people who would capitalize on his death for their own twisted purposes.
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Old 04-29-2004, 12:45 PM
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I'm glad this post isn't about Marcus Camby getting caught having a threesome with two hookers in his dorm room!
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Old 04-29-2004, 01:55 PM
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For Gonzalez to argue that the Iraq war was unjustifiable or inadvisable is understandable (since it is quite debatable). For him to view the Afghan war in the same light is unbelievable.



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Old 04-29-2004, 03:48 PM
Kurn, son of Mogh Kurn, son of Mogh is offline
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The worst part is his impugning the motives of Tillman, who never sought the spotlight for his choice. In fact, he refused to be interviewd about the decision he made.
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Old 04-29-2004, 05:42 PM
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wow you beat me to it! i was just going to make a post about this loser. you guys said it all though, bravo.
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Old 04-29-2004, 07:48 PM
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Yep, I'm currently a UMass student as well and this article just sickened me. To verbally abuse a fallen solider who left millions of dollars and a 4 star life style in order to fight for his country is just plain outrageous.
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