A bit unsure about my play on this one

Saborion · #1 04-26-2004, 07:44 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

No idea about the opponent I'm up against here.

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, Hero raises, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, SB folds, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players) 
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players) 
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 10 BB
Main Pot: 10 BB, between Hero and CO.

Mike Gallo · #2 04-26-2004, 07:49 PM

Looks like your opponent missed his flush, and you missed a few bets.

TonyG86 · #3 04-26-2004, 07:51 PM

Yeah i agree with MG in NJ, i think you shouldve bet the turn and then depending on his action (i.e. raise or call) bet the river as well.Flop play seems good to me though.

Saborion · #4 04-26-2004, 07:54 PM

You think?
I'm not used to people capping with a flush draw. I was VERY tempted to bet the turn, and would've if he hadn't capped the flop.

Mike Gallo · #5 04-26-2004, 07:59 PM

Many players I will know will do with to get a free card or to build a huge pot. Some do it for both.

In AC it appears to standard play to raise the flush draw on the flop if players have already called a bet. Players will not raise if nobody has already voluntarily entered the pot.

sthief09 · #6 04-26-2004, 08:03 PM

I like your line here. I wouldn't have played it any differently.

The reason I don't like betting the turn is because you are in a bad spot if you get raised. If he's capable of capping the flop headsup with a flush draw, he can raise you on the turn also (admittedly that isn't likely).

Mike, what do you do if you're raised on the turn? Do you really think it's that likely that his opponent doesn't have him beat after capping the flop?

Mike Gallo · #7 04-26-2004, 08:10 PM

Mike, what do you do if you're raised on the turn? Do you really think it's that likely that his opponent doesn't have him beat after capping the flop?

What hands do you give him that can beat your hand on the turn? I think hero gave the villian a cheap shot at the flush. To me this smells like a nut flush draw.

Although I see this as the default play so often I might have a jaded opinion. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

sthief09 · #8 04-26-2004, 08:21 PM

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Mike, what do you do if you're raised on the turn? Do you really think it's that likely that his opponent doesn't have him beat after capping the flop?

What hands do you give him that can beat your hand on the turn? I think hero gave the villian a cheap shot at the flush. To me this smells like a nut flush draw.

Although I see this as the default play so often I might have a jaded opinion. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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the part that has me confused is the weak cold-call preflop with no one in between followed by the excessive flop action. if he has AK and is that passive he won't cap the flop, so he can't have AK. I don't think you can assume a typical player, or anything close to one, would play K5 or K7 in this spot. so the only hand that beats him is a set.

let's assume he'll play any suited ace A8s or up. that leaves 5 combinations. for a set there are 6 combinations assuming he doesn't have KK. from my experience, the people at 2/4 often like to slowplay their big hands, so I guess you have me believing that more than half the time it'll be a flush draw with an overcard.

being wrong sucks [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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Saborion · #9 04-26-2004, 08:36 PM

I'm used to raises, but not capping. But I should've bet the turn regardless. I think...

sthief09 · #10 04-26-2004, 08:37 PM

I'm with you entirely. When someone caps me on the flop, I start to give them credit for a good hand, but if you look at the board, it's not possible for him to have anything other than a flush draw or set. I really have to start looking at the board more.