5 should-be-routine

afs · #1 04-20-2004, 11:22 AM

It's been five days since I did this; the responses to last weeks shoulda-been-routine hands were extremely helpful. Here are the last five hands I played from yesterday's session. I see a number of errors; I'm hoping others will point out the many that I've surely missed.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, CO calls.

Turn: (4 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players) 
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (6 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players) 
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below: 
CO shows Ac Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero shows Th Qh (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 8 BB. 

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players) 
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

Turn: (2.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players) 
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks.

River: (2.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players) 
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, CO 3-bets, SB folds, Hero folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 shows Kc Jh (straight, ace high).
CO shows Jc Kh (straight, ace high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 5.25 BB. CO wins 5.25 BB. 

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, Hero folds.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players) 
MP2 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

River: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players) 
MP2 bets, CO calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 shows Ad 4h (two pair, aces and tens).
CO shows 9c Ah (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: CO wins 9.50 BB. 

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players) 
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players) 
SB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds.

River: (10 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players) 
Hero bets, CO calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Kh Ks (two pair, kings and twos).
CO shows 2h Ac (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: CO wins 12 BB. 

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls $0.50 (All-In), BB calls.

Flop: (28 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players, 1 all-in) 
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls.

Turn: (17 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players, 1 all-in) 
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, BB calls.

River: (21 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players, 1 all-in) 
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, CO folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB

Results in white below: 
SB shows 8h 8d (full house, sixes full of eights).
BB shows 9d 9c (full house, sixes full of nines).
Hero shows Qs Qc (full house, sixes full of queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 23 BB.

NoChance · #2 04-20-2004, 11:44 AM

I would have played all of these the same.

Edit: Didn't see in hand 1 that they were suited. I would have raised pre-flop in this one.

Raiser · #3 04-20-2004, 11:46 AM

(1) This might be a leak in my game, but I would probably fold that hand pre-flop. If I'm gonna come into a pot on the button with one limper before me I want to raise and I don't feel good about raising this hand. I like the rest though.

(2) Seems good.

(3) I'd call this on the flop. You're getting 15:1 on your call and have 4 clean outs which is an 11:1 underdog. You have the odds.

(4) Well played.

(5) I like it. I generally cap with Queens about half of the time. Here you have 6 others that look like they'll call. I think capping here has huge value as there are likely a lot of overcards in the other players' hands.

Nottom · #4 04-20-2004, 12:30 PM

Most of these look pretty good.

Hand 1: I'd probably raise a CO limper preflop with QTs.

Hand 2: I'd likely just check the river and try to induce a bluff. If it gets raised I'm out.

last 3 look good.

afs · #5 04-20-2004, 03:46 PM

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Hand 1: I'd probably raise a CO limper preflop with QTs.

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Yeah, I was pretty unsure about this. I think I wanted to keep the blinds in out of some misplaced 'QTs wants to be multiway' sort of logic.

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Hand 2: I'd likely just check the river and try to induce a bluff. If it gets raised I'm out.

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I think this was a great big error. If no one has an ace or a ten, it seems SOMEONE has to have another queen w/ a better kicker. Or two JK hands ... go figure. I almost want to check-fold here, but I'm pretty sure yr check-call is probably right.

Thanks much. I'll probably post five more in a week or so -- knowing that I might be putting any random hand up for inspection has made my play much more solid this last week -- the benifits of a healthy level of self-consciousness & shame.

afs · #6 04-20-2004, 03:55 PM

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(3) I'd call this on the flop. You're getting 15:1 on your call and have 4 clean outs which is an 11:1 underdog. You have the odds.

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I'm only an 11:1 underdog if the best hand is a pair. I'm drawing dead to a flush, essentially dead to a set ... maybe 15:1 pot odds are enough to make up for this possibility. Really not sure. Loose overcard play has been a huge leak for me; trying to patch it up. Anyone else have an opinion on this?

Thanks much for the tips.

PokerBob · #7 04-20-2004, 03:59 PM

Hand 1: CO got what he deserved slow-playing his aces. Nice hand.

Hand 2: Looks fine.

Hand 3: NoNoNo. Do not let the mono-board scare you. Bet the flop. Bet the turn. Bet the river. A flop raise would not have run me off. A turn raise might make me reevaluate. Remember, the hearts scare most of them too. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Hand 4: Perfect. Actually not. You probably should have lost more, but the CO is clearly retarded. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Hand 5: I'm a little wary of the preflop cap (every time I do it w/QQ I run into AA or KK [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img], but that's just me. Otherwise it looks fine.

DoctorDrew · #8 04-20-2004, 03:59 PM

Hand 1: I would probably raise CO limper. Anoher example of the hazards of limping with AA. Would you have called a raise? (Me Too)

Hand 2: I'd have doen the same.

Hand 3: I would have called this.

Hand 4: Thank CO for not taking more money and move on.

Hand 5: Nice. I love when this happens. Last night I had QJ and flopped QJx and was bet into and capped. Turn =Q and bet into and capped. River=blank check raised me and capped. I said if this guy has JJ I'll eat my left arm. (Q9)

DoctorDrew · #9 04-20-2004, 04:01 PM

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Hand 3: NoNoNo. Do not let the mono-board scare you. Bet the flop. Bet the turn. Bet the river. A flop raise would not have run me off. A turn raise might make me reevaluate. Remember, the hearts scare most of them too. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Could not agree more.

afs · #10 04-20-2004, 04:31 PM

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Hand 3: NoNoNo. Do not let the mono-board scare you. Bet the flop. Bet the turn. Bet the river. A flop raise would not have run me off. A turn raise might make me reevaluate. Remember, the hearts scare most of them too.

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With five opponents? ... I'm really not sure about this. You might be right. I've lost a lot lately by being over-aggressive w/ overcards, and won a good bit from opponents being similarly over-aggressive. I'll keep the thought in mind -- you may be right, but I'm really not sure. 5 opp, almost certainly will lose unimproved, only four outs, half the deck hurts me ...

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Hand 5: I'm a little wary of the preflop cap (every time I do it w/QQ I run into AA or KK , but that's just me. Otherwise it looks fine.

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Well, I won't cap every time, but I think it's right at least 70% of the time. And I think it's 100% right this time -- the 3-better is all in once it's capped; if he beats me, I want his money in as early as possible so I can work on the side pot.

The chat on this hand was hilarious -- a whole lot of talk about how transparent a player I was, letting everyone know I had a pocket pair.