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![]() Ok, it's actually 4-8 kill, but the kill is on. My primary concern in this hand is to neither get outplayed nor to pay off if beat. I'm significantly tighter in 8-16 because of the change in limit but AA is too good to throw away, you see. I have AA and I'm first in. I raise it. The player to my left and the cutoff (killer) calls. Everyone else folds. The flop is Tc9c3d. I bet. It is bet and 3-bet behind me. I call and the first raiser calls. I dark bet the turn. The turn is an offsuit J. I am called in both spots. I dark checked the river. The river is a total blank. The first raiser checks out when he sees it and the second raiser checks. I would have checked and folded if another club had come on the river. I would have folded if someone had raised the turn. What do you guys think? I'll put up results this morning. |
#2
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![]() Well done I think. One guy probably has a ten, the other a flush draw. |
#3
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![]() I think you left some money on the table. I would have capped the flop, and slowed down if raised on the turn. I think you have to bet the river. The flush draw will fold, but any pair will probably call. If raised I think you could fold. |
#4
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![]() River: If it was just a single bet to me, I would call it most of the time, unless I am very confident of my read on the bettor. At this point there is 10.5 BB in the pot. If I were one of your opponents and I was not on clubs, I know I would be very tempted to take a shot at the pot if the flush card came. Turn: This is more problematic for me. Again, depending on player, a turn raise might be a definite indication you are beat or not. He could be raising with say 10 J (2 pair) in which case you have 8 outs (although some of those may be counterfeited by being clubs). 8 outs gives you better than 5:1. So this would be a player dependent call. I would estimate I would fold to a raise here about 50% of the time. P.S. What is the purpose of betting in the dark, (as opposed to waiting to see the card first)? |
#5
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![]() last week at the Elbow. |
#6
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![]() The purpose of betting in the dark is to neither get outplayed nor to pay off if beat because the stakes aren't entirely comfortable. It's wrong to bet the turn, I think, if an offsuit Ace comes in which case I should probably checkraise if I were interested in playing optimally. If an onsuit Ace comes I should probably have check-called (?) But I wasn't all that interested in playing optimally. |
#7
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![]() It appears to me that you are playing at stakes above your comfort level and scared to commit yourself. If that's the case, step down to a lower limit or be dealt out if it's a kill pot. If you are not interested in playing optimally, what is your goal? I'm sorry if I sound quite harsh but your play and reasoning on your post do not make sense. |
#8
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![]() No, you can play at a level above your bankroll temporarily so long as you're willing to play tighter. |
#9
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![]() The way you play the hand is not tighter but tight-passive which is not winning poker. |
#10
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![]() I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but you don't know what you're talking about. If I get 3-bet on the flop and bet the turn in the dark, this is passive? It's a defensive style, and I hope that's what you meant. |
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