Me and HEFAP again

Guido · #1 03-31-2004, 06:05 AM

I was reading HEFAP again and I don't get the following example:

You start with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and on fourth street the board is K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Now I asume I'm in the blind and HEFAP says it is usually right to check and call. Is this because you might be behind but you have 4 good outs. And when you still have the best hand you might end second best on the river?

Normally I would bet out on the flop with a board like this when I'm in the blind. Is this wrong? If so why? Because somebody might have a better kicker? But you don't know that and are not going to find out by checking and calling. Now suppose you bet out on the flop and 3 people call. On the turn you have 2 pair. I would normally bet out again. I might have the best hand and I don't want to give a free card. When I am behind I will know soon enough but I still have outs so why does HEFAP say you should check and call most of the time? Please enlighten me...

Thanks,

Guido

Thomsen · #2 03-31-2004, 06:13 AM

i think its because you want to go to showdown with it as cheap as possible.

Guido · #3 03-31-2004, 06:20 AM

Why? Who said I want a showdown? Sometimes you can win it right here... When I fill up I certainly don't want a cheap showdown [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

Guido

sthief09 · #4 03-31-2004, 06:38 AM

what page? I want to see what context this comes in

blackaces13 · #5 03-31-2004, 06:43 AM

But you fill up less than 1 in 10 times.

Guido · #6 03-31-2004, 07:34 AM

page 290 questions and answers

Guido

Guido · #7 03-31-2004, 07:34 AM

I know but that's where the [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] stands for.

PokerBob · #8 03-31-2004, 09:24 AM

Maybe because your bet will not drive out a flush draw but a raise probably means you are beat. Giving AK a free card isn't the worst cuz they are drawing slim. If the club comes on the river, you can check and make the crying call and lose only one bet.

Trix · #9 03-31-2004, 09:29 AM

I would think that it depends of the actions before the turn. Fx. if someone coldcalled on the flop, its a pretty good indicater of a flushdraw.

sthief09 · #10 03-31-2004, 09:35 AM

I think he's saying to check/call because if you bet and are raised, you CAN'T lay this hand down, and paying 2 BB on a hand where you are fairly certain you're beat is tragic, even though you have 4 outs.

this seems to be a passive approach to the situation, but this is assuming your opponents will call the flop with reasonable hands. and when a number of opponents call a flop like this, there's a good chance someone has made a flush.

but I'm a big confused myself... sorry I couldn't help