Pokertracker made me do it

MaxPower · #1 03-31-2004, 01:28 AM

I've started to export player statistics from pokertracker into notes. My note on the player to my right says that his VP$IP is 27% and PFR% is 18%.

Hand 1

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: MaxPower is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $4.
UTG raises, MaxPower 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO (poster) folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG caps, MaxPower calls, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Flop: (17.66 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MaxPower raises, MP2 calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (11.83 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, MaxPower bets, MP2 calls, UTG folds.

River: (13.83 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MaxPower checks, MP2 bets, MaxPower calls.

Final Pot: 15.83 BB
Main Pot: 15.83 BB, between MaxPower and MP2.

Hand 2

A few hands later

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: MaxPower is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button raises, MaxPower 3-bets, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MaxPower bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB
Main Pot: 3.50 BB, won by MaxPower.
Pot 2: 0.50 BB, overbet by MaxPower.

cold_cash · #2 03-31-2004, 01:44 AM

This might be a little off topic, but I've got a question, and it sounds like you're the man that'll have the answer.

When you import notes and statistics from PokerTracker to say, your Party Poker account, does this mean that while you're at the table you can click on a certain player, and all his stuff pops right up, just like the other player notes do?

sthief09 · #3 03-31-2004, 01:45 AM

yeah, it's in advanced options. it's a really really cool feature

J.R. · #4 03-31-2004, 02:05 AM

I like hand 1, but hate hand 2, especially if you opponent is equally tancaious postflop given your positional disadvantage, limited investment ($1 sb), aggro opponent and Q high hand. Give me a decent ace or a pair and I like it more, but give up the buck here and wait for a better spot. If you play you have to 3-bet, but I don't think this is the spot.

BugsBunny · #5 03-31-2004, 02:51 AM

Given the stats on this player I like hand 2. The one stat I'd like in this position (which I export into mine) is "attempt to steal blinds". If this is high then hand 2 is a no-brainer. This is a good hand to defend with. Playing HU, or 3 handed, I play this hand about 100% of the time.

Now if the person raising from the BT has high raising standards, even when in a steal position, I might think about laying down in the SB, but would still call in the BB every time.

Against random hands QTo wins HU about 57%. 3 handed it's about 40%. Against strong raising hands (AA-99, AKs-ATs, KQs-KJs, QJs, JTs, AKo-AJo, KQo) HU it's still over 30%, and many people have looser standards then that for steal raises (any A, any pair for starters), in which case the % goes up (just adding any A and any pair to the above raising hands takes QTo to almost 40% HU).

Gramps · #6 03-31-2004, 03:22 AM

Hand 1:

Did MP1 flip over AK or AQ (probably of diamonds or hearts)? I like the 3-bet and play (postflop as well) based on your read of UTG. Kind of a "doh" when someone behind you calls 3 cold after you've 3-bet/tried to isolate with JJ, that's just a bit unlucky (assuming you're getting called with a hand that's at least semi-worthy of a 3-bet cold call).

Hand 2:

I'd be more hesitant to 3-bet here with QTo. I don't worry about protecting my blinds at full table so much (there isn't much collateral benefit to the play, how often is it going to get folded around to the button when you're in the SB at Party $3/6?). You're making it 3-bets out of position with a hand that, even against a pretty loose raiser, will probably be an underdog more times than not.

Shorthanded it's a better play, but QTo is still pushing it a bit IMO. If you've got a "only raise with a monster hand" table image then...no, a QTo 3-bet is still pushing it a bit.

Saborion · #7 03-31-2004, 07:26 AM

I believe it's important to take into consideration how many hands you have logged with the player in question, not only his stats. If those stats are after 50 hands with him, they might not be "accurate".

MaxPower · #8 03-31-2004, 11:31 AM

J.R.,

I see your point, but look at the way he played hand 1. He was clearly able to throw away a hand when played back at even when the pot is relatively large.

MaxPower · #9 03-31-2004, 11:44 AM

Bugs,

My problem with the attempting to steal blinds stat is that the opportunity to steal comes up so rarely in these games. So even if I've played a lot of hand with someone, the stat is probably based on a small number of hands. I just picked out someone who I have played 496 hands against and he has had the opportunity to steal 22 times. Next I looked at someone who I have 250 hands against and he has had the opportunity to steal 9 times.

So, unless I have a lot of hands against someone, I don't find this stat too usefull. It is more usefull to watch their play and see what kinds of hands they do try to steak with when the opporunity arises.

BugsBunny · #10 03-31-2004, 11:56 AM

In most cases I agree, but then you get someone (like I ran across yesterday) that has an attempt to steal number in the 40% range, with a semi-reasonable number of hands.

You look at that number along with his other stats. So if someone has a VPIP of 50%, with a PFR of 10% and an attempt to steal figure of 40% does that say anything to you?