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Old 03-29-2004, 07:58 PM
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I wonder why they're only suing for $1 billion. I would think that genocide and such would fetch a lot more money.


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Slave Descendants File $1B Lawsuit
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NEW YORK - Descendants of slaves filed a $1 billion lawsuit Monday against U.S. and British corporations, accusing them of profiting by committing genocide against their ancestors.



Lawyers for the eight plaintiffs said the complaint was the first slave reparations lawsuit to use DNA to link the plaintiffs to Africans who suffered atrocities during the slave trade.


The suit filed in federal court in Manhattan accuses Lloyd's of London, FleetBoston and R.J. Reynolds of "aiding and abetting the commission of genocide" by allegedly financing and insuring the ships that delivered slaves to tobacco plantations in the United States.


The defendants "have destroyed our national and ethnic identity," one of the plaintiffs, Deadria Farmer-Paellmann, said at a news conference announcing the suit.


DNA testing has made a "direct connection" between Farmer-Paellmann and the Mende tribe in Sierra Leone, whose people "were kidnapped, tortured and shipped in chains to the United States," the suit said.


Scientific evidence also has linked the other plaintiffs to tribes in Niger and Gambia, the suit said.


Ellen Matthews, a spokeswoman for R.J. Reynolds, said the company had not received a copy of the suit. Calls to the other defendants were not immediately returned.


In January, a federal judge in Chicago threw out a similar lawsuit brought by descendants of slaves.
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Old 03-29-2004, 09:29 PM
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The suit filed in federal court in Manhattan accuses Lloyd's of London, FleetBoston and R.J. Reynolds of "aiding and abetting the commission of genocide" by allegedly financing and insuring the ships that delivered slaves to tobacco plantations in the United States.


The defendants "have destroyed our national and ethnic identity," one of the plaintiffs, Deadria Farmer-Paellmann, said at a news conference announcing the suit.


DNA testing has made a "direct connection" between Farmer-Paellmann and the Mende tribe in Sierra Leone, whose people "were kidnapped, tortured and shipped in chains to the United States," the suit said.


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In Africa, few Europeans ever actually captured a slave. The work of capturing and enslaving Africans was generally done by other Africans, who sold their prisoners to Arab coastal traders. . .Like slavery through the ages, African slavery becan with prisoners of war. Some were tribal royalty, prizes of war, taken by neigboring or enemy tribesmen and sold to Arab traders for rum, codfish, salt, and Spanish money. In some cases they were criminals or debtors. Eventually they were simply the subjects of African kings and local cheiftains who were unable to resist the temptation of the European riches and goods placed before them. Linked together in coffles ... the Africans were turned over to the Arab merchants who ran the slave markets of Africa's West Coast.

[/ QUOTE ] - Kenneth C. Davis, p.19 Don't Know Much About the Civil War.

I think enough is enough...the institution of slavery is as old as man. There is enough blame to spread in any direction. I believe this lawsuit is not going to do anyone any good.
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Old 03-30-2004, 08:12 AM
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Default Re: Slave Descendants File $1B Lawsuit

" believe this lawsuit is not going to do anyone any good."

Nonsense. Have you forgotten about lawyers?
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Old 03-30-2004, 09:32 AM
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Default We all descend from slaves

Romans enslaved conquered people throughout the empire.

Arabs enslaved Europeans, Africans and Asians for centuries (still do some places)

American Indians and various Asian cultures also have throughout their histories.

I doubt there is a person alive not descended from many slaves, also we all descend from many slave owners. African-Americans are more likely to be descended from American slave owners than whites (massive European immigration came after slavery was abolished).

So if you personally weren't a slave, do you have much of a claim against the rest of us fellow slave descendants?

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Old 03-30-2004, 11:08 AM
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" believe this lawsuit is not going to do anyone any good."

Nonsense. Have you forgotten about lawyers?


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Yeah, I'm a lawyer, and again, this lawsuit is not going to do anyone any good. This case is obviously on contingency; lawyers make no money unless it wins. Ain't no way in hell this thing wins.
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Old 03-30-2004, 11:26 AM
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J.O.K.E.
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Old 03-30-2004, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: We all descend from slaves

I have often been accused of being a slave to my libido.
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Old 03-30-2004, 03:26 PM
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Absolutely correct...I also would worry about sanctions. I haven't looked into it, but I wonder under what theory they are would hold liability and how they would get around Statute of Limitations issues.
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Old 03-30-2004, 08:26 PM
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I'd guess the plaintiffs seek an equitable remedy like "unjust enrichment". I'm not sure that it should be considered cause of action, as its just a remedy, but the lawyer in mississippi who brought his state's claim against the tobacco companies files an "unjust enrichment" claim, which other state's copied (I think) and mississippi was part of the big multi-state, multi billion dollar settlement. If "unjust enrichment" were the claim the statute of limitaions concern gets cleared because the Plaintiffs wouldn't be seeking legal relief, although "laches" then becomes a problem.
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Old 03-30-2004, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: Slave Descendants File $1B Lawsuit

much like the boys in the south park episode involving stem cell research, I don't want to get anywhere near this.

FWIW, if you have seen the episode, Christopher Reeves is able to walk again because he sucks the stem cells out of dead fetuses. He then becomes incredbily strong and turns into an evil villan, however he is subsequently stopped by Gene Hackman who saves the day.
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