87s on the button after three limpers

[spamuell]

We discussed this a little in the 2+2 IRC rooms, and astroglide feels that 87s is a fold on the button after 3+ limpers whereas others (myself included) feel it is a clear call.

It would be interesting to know the opinions of others on this. At the request of astroglide, please back up any opinions with actual statistical date - from a PokerTracker database with more than 10K hands, with reference to position, BB/hand and total times dealt.

Thanks for any feedback.

[astroglide]

i don't consider this a clear fold, but i would if there were 3 limps and i had 76s. i would call 98s, and 87s would be my exact ledge. i simply think the hand gets stuck with costly pair/draw combinations too often.

[King Yao]

I think its worth a call by a small margin. Especially if you play well relative to the other opponents, and I would assume anyone that is playing probably has that opinion, whether it really is the fact or not. Sorry, I have no database to present.

FWIW, my "breakeven" point is 76s.

[Ulysses]

[DiamondDave]

I fold most of the time. When I play the hand, I raise most of the time.

[SinCityGuy]

I don't have any emperical data on this, but from the texts that I've read, I believe that 87s has enough in the way of implied odds to limp in late behind three limpers. It's easy enough to muck if you don't hit the flop, and you've got prime position to play out the hand if you flop a big draw.

[Brian]

I call and don't think it's close. Same with 2 limpers. Same with 86s.

-Brian

[King Yao]

86s is a stretch in my opinion. with 87s, there is no one card that you have to hit. with 86s, you pretty much need a 7 to get a straight draw.

[Dynasty]

Anybody who is folding 87s on the button for one bet with three limpers ahead of you is playing waaaaaaaaaaay too tight. I don't even think this is worthy of discussion.

A more interesting question would be, do you limp with 87s when you're UTG+1 after UTG limps in a typical mid-limit game. In most situations, I'm playing 87s there. Today, I played 86s in a somewhat similar situation in a Mirage 10-20 game (it was actually two limpers ahead of me in MP).

[Franchise (TTT)]

There's a big influx of new posters in this forum, who are playing a very tight preflop. Assuming that they are new to the mid-limits, this might not be as bad of a thing for them.

But I've seen quite a few of these threads in this forum recently.

This one isn't close though.