Quadruple up or go home -- did I make the right choice?

[Apoc]

$20+2 SNG at UB. Still early, 8 left and blinds at 15/30. Preflop, UTG(T750) limps, MP(T1200) limps, LP(T1150) limps, and I check in BB(T850) with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Flop (T135 in pot) comes 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I check my middle set, UTG bets pot, MP calls, LP raises to 360. I call (is that right or should I just push in here). UTG now raises all-in, MP calls, LP calls, and I go ahead and push in now as well.

I figured that I was against at least one flush draw, maybe a straight draw, and probably two pair or a lower set. If that's the case, I'm ahead (50%-65% according to twodimes), but there are a lot of cards which will make me unhappy.

Should I save my chips when it comes back me all-in and called by both players, or did I make the right decision, trying to quadruple up?

Thanks,
Apoc

[SnakeRat]

I would push 100% of the time with that action the first chance I got, If they are ahead already with QQ your going to lose all your chips anyway.
QQ is not a very good limping hand either, so its extra unlikely. Your probably ahead hear and the draws will most likely have to fold if you push. I think if you push you either win nice pot right there or 3:1 of doubling up plus some.
Many worse hands than yours are going to want to see the next cards and could easily catch up for cheap.
I think its an automatic push(when it first comes back to you) with that action and board.
Calling after they are all in is also correct I think.

[jaydoggie]

if they are all drawing you have a good of chance as they to do to improve your hand. (3 Qs, 1 7, 3 6s. plus the possibility of the board giving you a running pair.) but youre already ahead and dont need to improve. and they lost all their backdoor 2 pair, 3 of a kind outs. ive never folded a set on a flop like this in my life. i wouldnt start just cause people wanna give me their money.

[foobar]

I think the play here is to either push or fold on the flop. I have a hard time laying down my second set against a flush or straight draw, and probably something like AQ. So, I push after LP makes it 360 to go. I think your call here was a bad idea: you're calling off almost half your stack when very few cards help you and many cards help opponents. Once UTG pushes in, I don't think you have any choice but to call: pot too big to get away from w/ your hand, and you're left w/ a tiny stack if you fold.

Also, I'd probably lead out w/ a pretty large bet (read pot sized or bigger) when you flopped your set on that board. With that flop, I want to make the drawing hands pay to see any additional cards.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Cheers.

[jaydoggie]

i completely disagree with this. unless your oppenent has another set, or a straight flush draw. no card on the turn can kill you.

assume one has a straight flush draw, and one has an underset. theres still only 3 cards in the deck that can leave you dead or 1 outer at the river. the opponent making the striaght flsuh, or 4 of a kind.

assume this is the case. you are still left with 6 cards to improve a hand that doesnt need improvement, and youre also consuming some of the flush cards.

theres no way without knowing the opponent has QQ you can lay this down. anyone disagree?

[foobar]

God dammit...I just spent about a half hour on and off writing a long post w/ my whole thoughts on this hand...went to submit and the db server hosting the forums was down...lost my post.

Anyhow, in response to the following Jay...

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i completely disagree with this. unless your oppenent has another set, or a straight flush draw. no card on the turn can kill you.


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Perhaps I misworded my post, I think the hero's play on the flop is an easy push. My only point was that I want to get all my chips in on the flop when I'm 95% sure I'm ahead rather than perhaps seeing a scare cards on turn. I think a scare card on the turn could be any heart besides Qh, and possibly any 5 or T. Granted you still have outs to make your boat or the case 7 for you quads, but you've gotta like your hand a lot less when any of the mentioned cards comes on the turn.

For what it's worth, I played the hand out in my head, and figured that based on the betting, it was something like this...

UTG on AQo...limp UTG, raised w/ top pair top kicker on flop to try to eliminate draw
MP Axh...limp preflop, calls UTG's initial bet on flop for implied odds or because he's a bad player...was getting 2-1 on initial call.
LP 66...limp preflop for set value...catches set on flop...makes a bad reraise on flop because he thinks he wants callers
Hero calls w/ his 77 (should have pushed)
UTG now faced w/ calling about T200 of his remaining T500 or so to LP's raise, so he just pushes in w/ his top pair top kicker
MP now getting better than 3-1 to call w/ his nut flush draw
LP calls small reraise from UTG w/ anything because pot is huge.

Anyhow, my guess could be way off...just my impressions...in my original post I worked out how much was in the pot at each stage of betting, but am too lazy to re-include now.

Cheers.

[stupidsucker]

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LP raises to 360. I call (is that right or should I just push in here

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Push here imo. You have a good hand, and you have the leverage. You simply cant fold imo here so you might as well gogogo. You may have lost this hand I dunno, but unless you know the players you are with I dont see how you can fold.

I say quadrouple up or go home. If you miss then /shrug happens all the time. If you hit, you are on cruise control to the money.

Just my opinion..

So what happened?

[HajiShirazu]

Wow, I don't see how pushing in here could possibly be wrong unless somebody tabled queens face up. I mean, how can you play pocket pairs if you're not going to take the opportunity to go all in on the flop when you make a set. I do agree that your situation maybe isn't as great as it seems, since a lot of your board-pairing outs (if someone makes a flush/str8) are almost certainly dead, but you have to take your chances here.

[Apoc]

UTG has 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for bottom set
MP had A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for nut flush draw
LP had Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for TP + flush draw

Of course, a heart came on the turn and no help on the river, and MP knocked us out.

Thanks for the responses!
Apoc