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Old 02-13-2004, 11:29 AM
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Default 33 in BB good flop but...

Party Poker 2/4 (10 handed)
Hero has 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and is BB

MP1 plays many hands and lucked out several times with some crappy cards. Everyone at this point is trying to make him pay.

MP3 is new to the table, so I have no idea how he plays, but his screen name is insanoman... uh oh. Can he be a 2+2'er?

UTG limps, MP1 limps, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls

Flop(10 1/2 SB): 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls

Turn(12 1/4 BB): 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls

River(21 1/4 BB): 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP3 raises, Hero calls

I knew I was beat, but what da heck I came this far. I think I know what my mistake here was, but tell me your thoughts. Simply put, I was in denial that somebody could have a better hand than me at the flop. I was so excited by my set that I went into a no turning back aggro mode.

Result to follow.
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Old 02-13-2004, 11:34 AM
mmanne mmanne is offline
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Default Re: 33 in BB good flop but...

I think you played it fine, you should lose a lot of money, when your set gets cracked by another set, I'm assuming he had Presto.
But, personally, I like to bet out in Early position against this many people when I catch my set. The check raise will announce a great hand. But if you bet, and someone raises, you can get a CR in on the Turn for big cash against a bunch of people.
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Old 02-13-2004, 11:42 AM
bernie bernie is offline
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Default what\'s the big deal?

you played it fine. i can see the MP3 having 67d. maybe a set of 5s.

when i flop a set on a board like this, im instantly thinking, cap the flop.

if you lose with a set, and blew alot of chips in the process, you played it pretty well. ever see the guys who go into call down mode after a single flop raise with a set? do you think they played it well?

if this was a monotone board id have tried to cap this flop with this many players. THEN i may slowdown quicker on the turn.

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Old 02-13-2004, 11:44 AM
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Default RESULT

MP3 had 55.
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Old 02-13-2004, 11:52 AM
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Default Re: 33 in BB good flop but...

I think you played this fine. If you lost to a better hand, so be it.

I'm curious why you assume that MP3 is a good player, since I don't think he played this hand well at all. Indeed, the only hands which make any sense given his play are 55, K5s, and K3s, all of which are bad coldcalls unless the table is playing super loose-passive, and KQ/AK, which he would have misplayed on nearly every street. In addition, he doesn't cap the turn but raises you on the river(!?). I think that more times than not your set is going to be good at the end.
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Old 02-13-2004, 11:54 AM
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Default Re: 33 in BB good flop but...

But if I thought this thru logically, I think I could have convinced myself that he also had a PP that got hooked up on the flop.

Ok, after the flop, the possibility also exists that he is on a diamond draw, and with many hands in, I guess you can 4-bet a nut flush draw.

But what do you read from the betting at the turn? I was confused here because if he did have a set (KK), then why would he also 4-bet here? So, I'm thinking, ok... maybe he is on a flush draw. How about 55? Well... he initiated the raise on the flop so what can you say about him having 55?
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Old 02-13-2004, 11:57 AM
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Default correction...

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Well... he initiated the raise on the flop so what can you say about him having 55?

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Check that... MP3 cold called MP2's raise PF.
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Old 02-13-2004, 12:00 PM
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Default Re: 33 in BB good flop but...

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I'm curious why you assume that MP3 is a good player, since I don't think he played this hand well at all.

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If you're referring to my comment that he may be a 2+2'er, that was just a off the cuff remark...

Are you saying all 2+2'er = good player? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 02-13-2004, 12:06 PM
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Default Re: 33 in BB good flop but...

you played it fine.
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Old 02-13-2004, 12:13 PM
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Default Wow... I\'m surprised by your answers.

So no one so far thinks I overplayed my set?
Is it because he didn't cap the turn? This was also my point of confusion when I was playing the hand.

Would anyone have played this hand defensively? or even folded it?
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