When you run bad, you start playing bad, KJo after two limpers

[Guido]

I just moved up to 2/4 at Paradise and had a bad run and started playing even worse. Here's what I mean.

I have KJo in CO-1. UTG and UTG + 1 limp, I limp, CO limps, button raises, blinds and the rest call. Seven to the flop for 14SB.

Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet out, CO, button and UTG call. Four to the turn for 9BB.

Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet out, CO folds, button raises, UTG folds, I call. Two to the river for 13BB

River: J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I check, button bets, I raise, button calls.

I think I couldn't have played this had worse. I think I know where I made the mistakes (pre-flop, turn and river) but I would like to know what you think.

Thanks,

Guido

P.S. Normally I only play KJo to steal or after 4+ limpers...

[steveyz]

I think that you can play KJo here after two limpers if you think that the two limpers are weak.
If those limpers are solid players who could be limping with dangerous hands like AJo, then muck it.
But I'd usually raise in this situation to try to buy the button (unless you know CO and/or button to be loose). KJo plays better against fewer opponents anyways and your raise might get you the pot umimproved if neither limper hits the flop.
On the flop, I would try to check-raise the button and perhaps fold to a 3-bet depending on how tricky/maniacally the button is. After the pf raiser smooth calls the flop, I'd be worried about him slowplaying AA/AK/KK and would probably check-call the turn and then bet out on the river.

[Yeknom58]

You noted that you play KJo after 4 limper. In this situation I would almost always fold. If I do play them, I prefer to play hands like KJo, KQo, QJo, JTo with as few people as possible. I'm thinking 2 crappy limpers, I'm on the Button, and the crappy blinds are coming along. When there are like 6-7 people coming along for the ride I almost always toss those offsuit hands.

I think the preflop call was OK as long as the players on this table are your typical crappy online players. If you have some strong people limping before you or some super agressive people behind you, your limp becomes terrible.

Flop: BET
Turn: The button's raise stinks of "I've just picked up a heart draw/straight draw" and I'd think about 3-betting but I probably wouldn't because he might actually have a hand like AK, KK, KQ.
River: This is one of the worst CR's I've ever seen. There is a flush/straight showing and you go for a CR? If your hand is good, I'm pretty sure you're going to miss a value bet on the river because the button will likely check behind. If your hand isn't good you get 3-bet and kinda have to call. I think betting the river would be better. You're little CR plan will probably only work if he has AK, KT, K8, JT. And even then it might not work. I think he probaby had AK.

[Yeknom58]

Why would you CR the button when you're in the CO-1. At the very best you get rid of the CO. If you bet and the button raises you can get rid of all the limpers. Doesn't that sound better?

[Guido]

Hi Yeknom58,

Normally KJo, QJo and JTo are an auto-muck for me. I only raise them sometimes to steal the blinds or with only 1 limper in front of me. I limp when I'm on the button or in CO with 4 limpers in front of me. I play them to make a straight and don't have to much of a problem to dump top pair when necessary.

When there isn't a raise in front of me I always play KQo.

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This is one of the worst CR's I've ever seen.

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[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] me too, at the time I thought he had AK or KQ. BTW you said that he probably had AK, then I would have won [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

Thanks,

Guido

[Guido]

It's already HU on the river...

[steveyz]

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[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] me too, at the time I thought he had AK or KQ. BTW you said that he probably had AK, then I would have won [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

Thanks,

Guido

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I'm thinking he had a set? KK?

[Yeknom58]

I would put him on a hand like AK or KQ that's why you have to bet the river rather than CR. And if he has a hand that beats you, you're not 3-bet.

[Yeknom58]

He's refering to a flop CR.

[Guido]

I see, I don't understand why I should do check-raise the flop either. Doesn't make sense.

Thanks,

Guido