Took me over a year for the first ... 4 days later here we go again

[Nottom]

One bright spot from yesterday's otherwise crappy pokering.

I'm dealt Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and open raise from MP. All fold to the button who 3-bets. Blinds fold, and I call.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Not a bad flop.

I bet out and get raised. I 3bet and he calls.

Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I bet, he raises. Well looks like he has a Q too, good thing I'm free-rolling with the nut-flush draw and I happily 3-bet which puts him all-in.

River: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Bingo!

And I didn't even get a nh from the table, wtf? Guess you only get those when you win with 92o.

[RickA]

Nottom

vnh

Since I figure you will enjoy talking about this hand for a while, I have a question. Why did you open raise? Is this not a hand that plays better multi way?

Thanks
RickA

[josie_wales]

Nottom,
I too was wondering about that open raise?

Are you trying to force out some of the lesser Ax's and Kx's?

JW

[chrisgs]

VNH

Did he have a Q(I would hope so)?

[josie_wales]

And oh yeah....

'nh'

[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

jw

[GuyOnTilt]

I too was wondering about that open raise?

If you never open-limped in MP, you wouldn't be making a mistake. His raise is fine as long as the players on his left aren't tough and he himself hasn't been raising liberally. In some cases, it may be a fold.

GoT

[spamuell]

If you never open-limped in MP, you wouldn't be making a mistake.

What about on a loose passive table in MP with 5 players to act behind you (MP3, CO, button, blinds) with 77? what about 87s? 55?

Would you open raise these?

You're surely losing a lot from folding them, and you want others in the pot with you with them, and good implied odds. Surely open limping is the only way to go - you're likely to be called in several spots.

[slogger]

"...77? what about 87s? 55?...

"You're surely losing <font color="blue"> a lot </font> from folding them"

I don't know that you're losing much, if anything. I'd certainly open raise w/ the 77 in that spot, and though I might open-limp w/ 55 (EMP fold, MP limp, LP raise), I don't think I'd lose much by folding it in MP. As for 87s, you're certainly not losing anything by folding it in MP, rather than open-limping. As you said, it's a drawing hand that likes cheap-entry multi-way pots, so it's not worth playing up front or in MP when you have no reason to expect muti-way action. Not to mention the fact that an open limp from MP or LMP is practically begging for a raise from the CO, button or blinds.

It would have to be a ridiculously loose passive game for me to open limp 87s in MP.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on why I might be wrong.

[Nottom]

I would raise 77, and usually fold the others.

Most tables I've been plaing at recently aren't particularly passive and usually have 3-4 to the flop if someone limps in from EP.

I really don't like open limping from that late and QT is really marginal. If I haven't played a hand in a while I will usually go ahead and open raise with QTs and prolly fold QTo from there, from one spot closer to the button I would usually raise with either.

[Nottom]

He had KQo and got a note next to his name for 3-betting me.