Ax Suited in BB w/ a Raise

mike_wzrd · #1 02-08-2004, 01:15 PM

I'm never sure when I should call a raise with AXs in the BB.

Party 3/6 with 9 players

Hero in BB w/ A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

UTG limps, MP1 limps, MP2 limps, CO raises, button folds, SB folds, Hero on BB calls, everyone else calls. 5 people to see the flop.

Should I have called the raise or folded? I was pretty sure everyone behind me would call. Most of the players would have already raised is they were going too. That would mean 9:1 SBs. My plan was to see the flop and if it didn't hit me hard, then fold.

Flop (10 1/3 SB): 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, hero calls, UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

My thinking on the flop is that I'm getting 11:1 or 12:1 odds. I have a back door str8 or back door flush draw and a 7 gives me 2 pair.

Turn (6 4/6 BB): 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

8:1 odds for a flush draw, so easy call.

River (9 4/6BB): 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Evaluation of play? What is your criteria for calling a raise with AXs in BB?

Clarkmeister · #2 02-08-2004, 01:48 PM

"What is your criteria for calling a raise with AXs in BB?"

Unless it leaves me headsup with a tight EP raiser, I'll call a raise in the BB with Axs every time.

Trix · #3 02-08-2004, 02:04 PM

Sleepy Weasel · #4 02-08-2004, 02:05 PM

Anyone bet out on the flop here?

Clarkmeister · #5 02-08-2004, 02:13 PM

That gets more complicated and really depends on the specific table and players involved. In general when its a close decision, be more inclined to play against bad players and more inclined to fold against good players.

mike_wzrd · #6 02-08-2004, 02:23 PM

Even if there are only a couple of players in? Odds of hitting the 4 flush, catching 2 pair or 77 on flop are not that good. Seems like you would need multiple players and low risk of a reraise to see a positive EV.

Clarkmeister · #7 02-08-2004, 02:28 PM

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Even if there are only a couple of players in? Odds of hitting the 4 flush, catching 2 pair or 77 on flop are not that good. Seems like you would need multiple players and low risk of a reraise to see a positive EV.

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Ummmm, I could hit an ace too. That's not the worst thing in the world you know.

Nottom · #8 02-08-2004, 02:35 PM

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Unless it leaves me headsup with a tight EP raiser, I'll call a raise in the BB with Axs every time.

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Same.

mike_wzrd · #9 02-08-2004, 02:40 PM

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Ummmm, I could hit an ace too. That's not the worst thing in the world you know.

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I hit an ace on the flop, but I'm always concerned that I'm dominated. What's your play on the flop when you hit the ace. Perhaps this goes back to a Sleepy Weasel's question. Do you raise on the flop to find out where you are with the ace?

Clarkmeister · #10 02-08-2004, 02:41 PM

I want to revisit this point because I think many on here don't get it.

What makes Axs so much better than 56s isn't the fact that you have the nut flush draw instead of a non-nut flush draw. Its the fact that you have a freaking ace and will win many pots with top pair. I want to make sure everyone understands this.