pop him now or keep on pullin

[Eric P]

I have 33 in BB and it's folded to me after UTG + 2 raise, 3-6 game on party so this probably just means any pair or high suited cards or any ace. i call
flop: 559 rainbow
i check/call
turn:5
i check/raise
Question is should i raise here where he will fold any hand that is losing (except MAYYYYYYYBE AK or AQ) or should i call and try and get an extra bet. Note the only way this happens is if a card that misses him comes and he still bluffs when i check, if i do this... do i riase?

[Joe Tall]

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I have 33 in BB and it's folded to me after UTG + 2 raise, 3-6 game on party so this probably just means any pair or high suited cards or any ace. i call

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Um, "any pair" other than 22 has you smoked. How many callers did you have? What type of player is EP?

I think folding preflop is perferred.

Peace,
Joe Tall

[crockpot]

the big question here is can you safely fold to a reraise? or better, WILL you fold if he reraises, knowing that you weren't bluffed out? if the answer is yes, then raise now. if it isn't, i think you're better off calling him down so you lose the least to an overpair. he may think he is betting an ace for value anyway on the river.

[Aces McGee]

Your post seems to assume that you are ahead of him, even though any pair besides deuces beats you.

I'd either fold or reraise preflop. If I just called like you did, I'd check-raise the flop.

Now, to get to your question. If you KNEW he was on overcards, then I'd pop him here. If you just check-call and then check the river, he might check it through unimproved. But it's pretty likely that he'll call your turn raise.

The point is, though, you don't know if you're ahead here. I'd try to get that information on the flop.

McGee

[bernie]

i fold this preflop.

i want 1 caller in between to make this call.

if he doesnt fold to the turn raise, you're likely beat and he isnt folding the river. you're representing trips and he's still in.

b

[rigoletto]

You shouldn't bet or raise anywhere and checkraising the turn was a mistake.

You are either ahead on the turn with him drawing to 7 outs or you are way behind drawing dead and when he calls the checkraise what do you do with the river?

On the river he'll not fold a better hand and he'll fold most of his worse hands so a bet serves no purpose. Besides you like him to check behind the times he has a small pair.

[rigoletto]

if he doesnt fold to the turn raise, you're likely beat and he isnt folding the river. you're representing trips and he's still in.

actually they are both showing trips!

[Aces McGee]

Hi Rigoletto

Is a flop check-raise incorrect?

McGee

[rigoletto]

Let me first add that I like others think a preflop fold is best.

Yes I think the flop checkraise is incorrect. If your opponent is likely to put you on a bluff (on a obviously bluff worthy board) he might pop you right back with A high. If he worry about trips he's more likely to call down with a big pair than folding and you end up losing more. Basically a flop checkraise will only fold worse hands that are drawing thin, you don't really like them to stay but the alternative is worse and they make a mistake by betting the flop.

I think the best course of action is chekking the flop and call all the way. If the flop is checked through, bet the turn and check the river.

As you can tell this is a hard hand to play HU out of position, which is why the preflop fold is the best course of action.

[Aces McGee]

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As you can tell this is a hard hand to play HU out of position, which is why the preflop fold is the best course of action.

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I guess this about sums it up. I like your reasoning, even though playing it that way seems odd. Would your strategy change if you KNEW he was on overcards?

Once in a while, if the preflop raiser is loose/semi-maniacal or has been running over the table of late, I might 3 bet him to become the aggressor in the hand. Not often, but if the situation is right. If not, I agree that a preflop fold is best.

Thanks for the response.

McGee