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Old 01-06-2004, 02:26 PM
Justaloser Justaloser is offline
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$2/4 35% see the flop. typical table, 9 handed.

I'm dealt J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the button.

First two players limp, folded to me. I limp and blinds come along. Is this an obvious raise? The few hands I've seen, I've seen showdowns with bottom pair and K high.

5 SB--Flop is
4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

First three check, UTG+1 bets, I reraise. 3 fold. UTG+1 calls.

4 1/2 BB--Turn is
A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

He checks, I check.

River is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

He checks, I bet, he calls.

Well?


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Old 01-06-2004, 03:11 PM
Joe Tall Joe Tall is offline
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Default Re: How did I do?

I think you missed a bet on the turn.

Your opponent could have a flush or straight draw and bet out on this flop. I don't see him having a stronger Q as I would have think KQ would have raised preflop.

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Old 01-06-2004, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: How did I do?

If he has 4 hearts, you let him see the river for free. I think a bet on the turn is needed.
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:17 PM
Vee Quiva Vee Quiva is offline
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Default Re: How did I do?

The aggressive player would raise preflop and bet the turn. My guess is that it would have been checked to you on the flop so I don't know if you necessarily lost any money by not raising.

Yours was more conservative. By checking through on the turn you did induce him to call on the river.

I don't see much of problem playing it either way.
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:18 PM
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Default Re: How did I do?

I would't raise preflop. With 2 EP limpers they could easily have AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ. If they were late limpers then a raise would be more reasonable.

On the flop you have an easy raise with top pair decent kicker.

The turn is a seroius mistake. When it's headsup you can't backoff to a single overcard. You are giving him a free card if he was betting the flop with a flush draw. Checking behind on the turn invites him to bet the river with any two cards which you will have to call, so why not just bet the turn yourself and check behind on the river if you don't improve? If you're checkraised on the turn you can fold against a sane opponent.

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Old 01-06-2004, 03:28 PM
MikeyObviously MikeyObviously is offline
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Default Re: How did I do?

well, i'd toss JQo preflop...but lets pretend i would of played it.

I like the flop play, but i'd bet through the ace on the turn. Checking on the turn gives your hand away. If the guy has an ace at all, he has aces up if that makes sense (the guy limped and bet from early position. its hard to tell exactly what he has at that point alone, but you know that if he has an ace in his hand...the other hole card is already paired). So bet the turn...if you get check raised toss it...otherwise bet for value.
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Old 01-06-2004, 05:32 PM
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He turns over Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

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Old 01-06-2004, 05:37 PM
Justaloser Justaloser is offline
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Default Re: How did I do?

I think you missed a bet on the turn. Your opponent could have a flush or straight draw and bet out on this flop.

You're right.

Even though I think that I got as many bets in as I could, by not betting the turn, I let him draw for free.

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Old 01-06-2004, 05:56 PM
Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) is offline
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Default Re: How did I do?

well, i'd toss JQo preflop...but lets pretend i would of played it.

If Justaloser has some confidence in his read that this is a loose table, I think JQo on the button is definitely playable. I probably would have come in for a raise, though.

Flop: Being the PF raiser, it would be more likely to be checked to me. If that happens it's an obvious bet, and if UTG+1 bets as he did in the real hand, I would raise.

Turn: Bet. If raised, call and check/call the river.

River: Bet unless raised on the turn.
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Old 01-06-2004, 06:07 PM
Saborion Saborion is offline
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Default Re: How did I do?

Is this really a hand worth raising with pre-flop? It`s not that good a hand, and in case he do flop a Q like he did here, he have the option to raise any bet and thus make it to expensive for some draws to call.
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