A,J Grossly Overplayed and Badly Played?

[PokerBabe(aka)]

The Rodeo is in town and today, a cowboy roped some of the Babe's chips. Game is a very good 20-40 at the Mirage. Cowboy is having a rip roaring time and playing any two for any amount. He really wants to shoot dice, but thought he would stop by the poker room first. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] He has shown us K,10 off, 6,4 suited and a J,8 when this hand comes up.

I open raise with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in late middle position. Folded to the cowboy in the sb who calls. Flop is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Cowboy bets and I raise, he 3 bets, I make it 4 and he makes it 100 now. Although we are heads up, I decide maybe I am behind to 2 pair or even a set, so I just call the 5th bet (who folds here?). Turn is A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Cowboy bets right out and I raise. He stops for a second and says "ok, well, if you really have a set of Jacks, I just call" [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. The river is a 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Cowboy now bets out again, which seems in direct opposition to his comment on the last street about my possible set of Jacks. Well, "hot damn...", I think, he's got a set for sure and he was just taunting me like a Rodeo clown might do to a bull. I figure raising the river serves no purpose as he will call anyway and I am not folding for one more bet here. Cowboy shows me pocket 7's and lassos my chips.


Comments welcome.

LGPG and Giddy UP.

Babe [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[Howard Burroughs]

I would have played the hand exactly the same as you did (that may not be a good thing though).



RGPG (raise good, play good)

H.B.

[shutupndeal]

Babe,

seriously now, how do you want one of us to answer that post? : )
I mean I wasnt there and you were right? The clown could have showed ya anything from what your telling us he was playing like so I wont knock ya for deciding to play on but did you really think he was kidding past 3 bets?
I have to know just what YOU were thinking before I can answer if you overplayed it or not according to how YOU play. For me I couldnt see myself getting roped in like that.
Tell you something else, A-Jo is no world beater and playing middle limit you should know that. What you forgot to ask yourself is with that board, what do you think he put you on with you throwing bombs on his chin and taking no heat Babe?
Please dont think I am totally knocking your game and this is why a lot of the time I hate to critique someones play and please know I did this to help in whatever way I could and am not for a second looking down on your play or anything Ok? You asked and I offered what I thought about what was written. : ) Seriously tho, you would have been better off to take me to brunch and I could have made a new friend <as you would have> and it would have ben cheaper and as lucky as the cowboy was we could have stopped off at his crap table and picked up a few bucks! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[mikelow]

Considering the hands he showed, you might have overestimated your opponent's looseness. The way the hand went, he just had to have a set.

So you overplayed it on the flop. Three bets is enough.

[shemp]

I would have played it the same -- which may indicate that I'm not very good (if this doesn't so indicate, still other things do). On the flop you are overstating your hand, and he still loves his -- and the ace doesn't actually change that -- provided you can rule out 72 that leaves only J7. I do well to remind myself that just because a guy-gal plays some kooky cards doesn't mean they give kooky preflop raises or postflop action on rainbow boards. There are, of course, players who you would be wrong not to raise the river (and at every other opportunity, but this guy doesn't look like it). Notice how he gives a weakish tell -- I've got a set, I've noticed you play tight and could have a better hand, I'm tired of getting raised, so next time, have the courtesy to have a big set.

You can't fold anywhere here against someone you don't know well.

[PokerBabe(aka)]

Sure, A,J is not a "world beater", but on that flop it looks darn good heads up, against my cowboy, no? Would you not raise with that hand 3 off the button if you think you may get only one caller? Of course, if I am 3 bet btf, and I flop dead, I am gone, so it's an easy hand to play. As for what the cowboy put me on, I was CLEARLY trying to muscle it on the turn for dramatic impact and when I raised him after he showed so much strength I was looking for confirmation of HIS hand, which I didn't receive. He just called the turn raise and mumbles about my possible set of Jacks [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. So, God knows what he put me on. I guess on the river, he didn't put me on much since he bet into me. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

LGPG,

Babe [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[PokerBabe(aka)]

Your point about overestimating an opponent's looseness is well taken. The other day, I saw a guy 4 bet with no pair no draw on the flop in the 20-40 game. Maybe I was still thinking about that guy? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

LGPG,

Babe [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[shutupndeal]

Babe,
Yeah, I see your point and its no biggie but I just feel that yes you did overplay it a tad, and I really dont fault ya with such an unusual player but let me ask you this Babe, how did he play after that hand? In your estimation did this clown have his shingle out with those crazy hands he was playing? <advertising>
And I dont for a sec fault you as I said really I dont, I do give you props for having heart, I didnt like his comment either about the set of J's. I just know this moron thinks he played that hand like a world class player or something and I think thats what bothers me the most ya know that? Thats why I asked ya how he did later also.
Know what too, your just really aggrssive is all and theres nothing wrong with that either, you will more than make up for it on the next good night so dont worry about it at all!

[turnipmonster]

seems like you lost the minimum here, from what you described. I can see calling the 3 bet and raising the turn, but then he reraises so there's that extra big bet. even the live ones get a good hand every now and then.

--turnipmonster

[PokerBabe(aka)]

Cowboy won 800 in the game and then took off to the dice table. Babe won less than a rack, but tomorrow, we ride again.

LGPG,

Babe [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]