TPTK against a turn checkraise

[asdf1234]

Here's a situation that comes up quite often that still gives me trouble.

Typical Party 2/4 Table.
I'm dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in MP.

One limper immediately before me, I raise, button calls, both blinds call, as does the limper.

Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Checked to me, I bet, big blind and MP limper call.

Turn: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Checked to me, I bet, big blind folds, MP limper raises.

Now what?

[badboy]

Great question...obviously the 7 helped him. No chance of a straight or flush so my guess would be he caught his second pair. Maybe a set but would he stay in with pocket sevens after a raise on the flop with K and 9 showing? If he did catch a second pair, then a reraise wouldn't eliminate him. Call and see what he comes on the river.

[JohnShaft]

Well for one thing I just don't make folds like this. Am I most probably beat here? Sure.

But you're getting over 5-1 here to see a showdown. And there's only him and you left.

I'd call this one down for sure.

What does he have? Hmmm.
TBH I don't think there's a lot of hands a good player has here that beat you. But he is telling you you are beat.

Could be the 77 from someone who won't foldem.
Could be the 44/99, from someone who has "slowplay the set" disease.
Could be K9/K7 from someone who is too loose.

I don't see a good player has a hand here that beats you. So I'm saying he's a poor player, with one of the above.

I'm still not folding though. Not on this board. Not with these odds. Not when it's headsup. Hell he may just have something like KQ. We've already pretty much accertained he's a bad player.

[Jeremy'sSpoken]

Couldn't he just of easily made a set on the flop which he waited until the turn to raise?

Either way you have to figure you are behind unless you have some really good info on the player.

You may fold here or call and chceck call if you think there is a decent chance your still ahead.

Occassionally against a player I don't know I will call him down just to get some information for my player notes on what he will call a raise with, what he will check raise with?

[badboy]

Set on the flop? No way...who would slowplay that? I mean anything is possible in poker but it is rare that you encounter someone who will slowplay a set on the flop. That's the whole beauty of sets...they are so well hidden and you can bet them with confidence and without raising suspicions.

[badboy]

Great analysis! I wouldn't fold either.

[balkii]

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Set on the flop? No way...who would slowplay that? I mean anything is possible in poker but it is rare that you encounter someone who will slowplay a set on the flop.

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is this a joke? this is a party 2/4 table. against most players, if they raise on the flop, you can usually rule out the possibility of them having a set, as they ALWAYS wait till the turn to raise.

[jerrybai125]

Why cant a good player play 99 like this??

[badboy]

A good player would try to maximize his winnings by betting a well disgiused and powerful hand. That's what this good player would do.

[JohnShaft]

A good player wouldn't flop 2nd Set, and then Check the Flop and Turn. And he sure as hell wouldn't do it with 5-way action.

At least not in my dictionary he wouldn't.