Very strange thing happened last night

Lawrence Ng · #1 12-07-2003, 07:55 PM

10-20 Full kill game last night. This hand is not a kill hand. I'm in MP with 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and all fold to me where I raise. Guy next me - call him Mr. tilt-a-wheel - re-raises. This guy has raised 99 percent preflop and has re-raised 80 percent of the time pre-flop. All fold back to me and I just call.

Flop comes 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet, Mr Tilt raises, and I re-raise, and so forth till I raise about 5 times then he just calls.

Mr. Tilt has been running devilishly well hitting a lot of hands, but I seem to have the jinx on him as whenever we are heads up I have won 100 percent of the time.

Turn comes the 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet again, he raises and so at this point I put him on an overpair, possibly a smaller set and heck even two pair wouldn't surprise me. So again I raise another 2 times and he just calls.

River pairs the 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

I bet, he raises again, and I reraise, yadda yadda..

Now here is the funny thing. After I raised him a 3rd time last on the river he got very very upset. With lightning fast reflexes, he grabbed my hand even though it was protected with a chip, took the cards along with his own cards to look at them and then threw them straight into the muck.

He then storms out of the poker room before I even get a chance to land my fist on his head.

Anyways, the pit awarded me the pot and they cashed him out and I didn't see him for the rest of the night.

My question is should they let this guy back in? I mean if he's going to maintain such childish and downright improper compusure, who is going to sit next to him and play with him knowing well that he may muck a winning hand.

I spoke with the casino management after this incident and all I got was "we will investigate into the matter" answer.

brad · #2 12-07-2003, 08:42 PM

i would bet the turn dark 100% of the time. (cause come on youre gonna bet anyway, and it will elicit excessive action probably).

as to his improper behavior, once he takes your cards you win the pot of course.

as long as it doesnt happen again you know i say cut him a break, stuff like that happens. heck, it might even help you protect your hand.

Edge34 · #3 12-07-2003, 08:53 PM

I've gotta disagree with you on this one Brad. In order to make SURE that such childish and downright unacceptable behavior never happens again, a casino should make an example out of this buffoon. Anybody who plays in a given casino should at least have a VERY basic understanding of rules and ettiquette (sp?) and this guy certainly did not. If there's anywhere else to go play poker, he can go there. If there's not, he brought it upon himself. This goes far beyond the playing of the hand and should probably go in B&M, but to make it fit in here a little more, i'll just say that the hand was well-played. Always nice to flop a set and take down a nice pot...any way that you can in this case.

brad · #4 12-08-2003, 02:09 AM

well maybe in a low limit game but in mid limits people go crazy and get away with it i dont think u can count on floorman doing anything at all.

well maybe if you toke them a lot maybe.

andyfox · #5 12-08-2003, 03:01 AM

"He then storms out of the poker room before I even get a chance to land my fist on his head."

If this indeed is what you would have done, they shouldn't let you back in.

Mason Malmuth · #6 12-08-2003, 03:39 AM

Hi Lawrence:

Of course they should let him back in. He didn't do anything to disrupt play, and why would would want a live one like that barred anyway?

Best wishes,
Mason

Josh W · #7 12-08-2003, 03:47 AM

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Hi Lawrence:

Of course they should let him back in. He didn't do anything to disrupt play

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But he did do something to disrupt the integrity of the game.

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and why would would want a live one like that barred anyway?

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Because there is more to poker than money.

Josh

Mason Malmuth · #8 12-08-2003, 03:50 AM

Hi Josh:

As the great Ray Z likes to say, "You're playing poker, not going to church."

Best wishes,
mason

mike l. · #9 12-08-2003, 04:12 AM

i gotta agree w/ mason on this one. all the guy did was foul his hand thus giving up the pot in a heads up situation. what exactly is the problem?

if you didnt like that one than you wouldve hated what i saw a month or two ago. it was the river and a player who had been showing strength all the way bet out. some other player was hemming and hawing and then he picked up his cards so the girl next to him (a very rambunctious chick who loves to cuss and yell, but also to laugh and kid around, oftentimes in the same breath) could see them. she saw what he was holding and said "sheeit! give me that!" grabbed them out of the guys hand and tossed them face down in the muck. everyone laughed.

Lawrence Ng · #10 12-08-2003, 04:43 AM

Well, first off he didn't call my final raise. He owed me another $20 if he wanted to see my cards that bad. Had he called me, he could've taken my 10's and eat them or rip them up or slit himself with it for all I care.

Secondly, there has to be some sort of protection to ensure that players do not overact in such a manner. Yes, he is a live one and as such extra tolerances should be made. I won't argue with money here.

I think he should be given a warning by the floor and if such behavior persists then he should be banned.