KJs in SB huge pot

[vkotlyar]

loose 10-20 game. UTG open raises. Doesnt mean much. 6 people cold-call. I have KJs in the SB, and make it 3 bets.
Any disagree? I think that big suited broadway cards are worth a cap in a 7-way pot. I am not planning on winning with just a pair, but by raising i am guarantee myself (and others) correct chasing odds. I will make the same play w AKs, AQs, KQs, and 10Js. Comments?

[samdash]

Hi v
Just call here.

[Buckshot]

I would just call. You're trying to manipulate your odds on a hand that admittedly needs help. I hope you flopped a royal.

~stephen

[Inthacup]

but by raising i am guarantee myself (and others) correct chasing odds.

That doesn't make the raise correct. If there are already 14 SB in the pot, what can't you chase?


Bad raise IMO. Most likely, you're 3-betting into a dominated hand out of position. You should pick a better spot for this type of play.


Cup

[turnipmonster]

I think this qualifies as ramming and jamming preflop. here is a good article:
http://slicer.headsupclub.com:3455/16/23

I also think this is a very thin preflop raise, here's an article on that:
http://slicer.headsupclub.com:3455/16/29

The problem I see with your hand is that barring a broadway draw, you are not hitting to the nuts here, so the value of your suitedness is somewhat decreased. the 2nd nut flush can be an extremely expensive hand.

I think a raise may be profitable here vs. that many loose limpers, but you should realize what this is going to do to your variance and make sure you have the bankroll to support that.

also, you position really, really sucks. I think it's a much better move if you're on the button.

--turnipmonster

[turnipmonster]

as you said, in order to make this play profitably, you also need to be able to fold top pair and possibly even two pair, as top pair is likely dominated, and two pair will very likely give someone else an open ender or broadway draw.

the more I think about it, the less I really like KJ here.

--turnipmonster

[Al_Capone_Junior]

tho i don't think you lose anything by doing this, i am not sure what you gain either, besides a higher SD. I'da just called, you'll have plenty of chasing odds anyway.

al

[mike l.]

skip on the reraise w/ KJs and JTs and the like. just do it with the AKs, AQs, and sometimes KQs. also do it with medium sized pocket pairs sometimes (as well as big ones of course).

[Paluka]

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skip on the reraise w/ KJs and JTs and the like. just do it with the AKs, AQs, and sometimes KQs. also do it with medium sized pocket pairs sometimes (as well as big ones of course).

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I think I like it better with JTs than with KQs. With KQ you have to fear domination much more, so it becomes more difficult to push your hand even when you flop big.

[Gabe]

I think the play is ok, particularly if the callers are likely to have bad non-multiway hands. KJs is the last of the hands that you listed that I would nomally make this play with in the blinds, but I often would with JTs. With this many callers, I think the KJs raise is good, T9s, too. Pocket pairs also.