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Old 11-26-2003, 02:56 PM
Henke Henke is offline
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Default Applying what I\'ve learned

Instead of being dominated (as with the two QJ) I'm trying to be the dominator instead. Thanks all who replied to my last post. I would like to hear what you think of this play (especially flop-turn and river).


Party Poker 0.50/1 (10 handed)
Hero has Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and is MP1

UTG limps, Hero raises, MP3 calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls

Flop(9 SB): A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, SB calls, UTG calls(all-in), Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, SB calls
Nice flop! Is the 3-bet here OK, or should I wait for the turn to check-raise?

Turn(10 BB): K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks
[i] Ouch! Scare card! Should I have bet out to charge the maximum of those hands with one [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?

River(10 BB): 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, SB folds
Would it be wrong to check-call here?


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All in guy had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
MP3 had 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 11-26-2003, 03:18 PM
Yeknom58 Yeknom58 is offline
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Default Re: Applying what I\'ve learned

With a 2 flush flop I prefer to 3-bet the flop if I'm raised. Because he might be raising his flush draw in a attempt to get a free card on the turn. In addition if the diamond falls on the turn you might not want to CR and if your opponent has Ax he probably won't bet.

I would have bet the turn and river.
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Old 11-26-2003, 03:18 PM
GuyOnTilt GuyOnTilt is offline
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Default Re: Applying what I\'ve learned

You played it very well up until the Turn. You MUST bet here! What makes you think somebody's on a flush draw? Just because one is possbile in a multiway pot, doesn't mean somebody has one. You just gave any one with a singleton diamond or a Jack or Ten a free card to beat your monster hand. Next time, when you flop top two pair on that board, don't look at the turn card. JUST BET.

MP3 had 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Zoo'ers are always good for a little donation for the sake of nostalgia. Don't expect to understand their play.

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Old 11-26-2003, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: Applying what I\'ve learned

Much better! You are getting close!

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Nice flop! Is the 3-bet here OK, or should I wait for the turn to check-raise?

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The 3-bet is a must, you must charge/drive the single diamond suck-out hands out.

Bet the turn, just be wary of a check-raise or raise.

Stick around, you've come to the right place,
Joe Tall
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Old 11-26-2003, 04:18 PM
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Bet the turn. You can't give a crappy diamond or gutshot straight draw a free shot to beat you.
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Old 11-27-2003, 03:40 AM
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You played it very well up until the Turn. You MUST bet here! What makes you think somebody's on a flush draw?

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SB cold called two bets on the flop, but then again, this is .5-1, so maybe I shouldn't put too much value in that...

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Just because one is possbile in a multiway pot, doesn't mean somebody has one. You just gave any one with a singleton diamond or a Jack or Ten a free card to beat your monster hand. Next time, when you flop top two pair on that board, don't look at the turn card. JUST BET.

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And if I'm raised, call-check-call?

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MP3 had 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Zoo'ers are always good for a little donation for the sake of nostalgia. Don't expect to understand their play.


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[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Will remember that! lol

Thanks again all for your answers!
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Old 11-27-2003, 08:32 AM
Alobar Alobar is offline
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Default Re: Applying what I\'ve learned

What would you guys have done if he had bet the turn and was raised? call-check-call? or do you play back at him and see if he caps? (if he does, do you fold right there?, if he doesnt do you bet out the river?)
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