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Old 10-25-2001, 09:01 AM
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Championship Hold ’em by (1) Tom McEvoy and T.J. Cloutier. This book is so bad it’s hard to know exactly where to begin when writing a review. But here goes. As I see it, there are two

main problems. First, is that it is filled with much specific information that is just plain wrong and contradictory to other advice given in the text. For example on page 30 the authors write “Several poker mathematician types mentioned that you should average a certain number of bets per hour when you play poker. I think that notion is erroneous.” But two pages later the text states “If you’re a serious player, you have to figure that your time is worth X-number of dollars per hour and you should play in a game that will compensate you accordingly.”


Other ridiculous advice includes not to call in multiway pots with big-little suited cards such as K♠6♠, why it’s better to play low connectors unsuited rather than suited, why when you

have the kill you should never let the money you post influence the way you play, why you should not bet J9 (because of your bad kicker) when the flop comes J32 and you are in the big blind against four limpers, why in a jackpot game “you must constantly try to overcome the disadvantage of having all kinds of players take the flop with bad hands so that virtually any strong hand is going to go way down in value,” why when playing a flush draw in a multi-way pot “it had better be the nut flush draw,” why when you have a hand like A♠K♠ on the button and five or six players are in you should check after the whole field checks and the flop is J♠T♠2♣, why the size of the pot should never influence your last bet (particularly if it is a calling bet), and finally why you should often fold a set on the turn when there is a four flush on board.


But there is also another problem with this text. It is simply that the basic philosophy of how to play limit hold ’em is wrong. Timid players do not do well in this game. It is also true that some players are overly aggressive, but always being afraid of better hands when you don’t hold the nuts and adjusting your playing strategy because of this should prove very expensive. You will allow free cards to beat you, won’t extract the maximum whey your hand is best, won’t knock other players out when it is right to do so, and will fold hands that you should be continuing on with. I don’t believe that anyone can win playing like this unless your opponents are extremely weak and limit hold ’em should be a very frustrating (and expensive) experience for you.
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Old 10-25-2001, 12:08 PM
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"You will allow free cards to beat you, won’t extract the maximum whey your hand is best, won’t knock other players out when it is right to do so, and will fold hands that you should be continuing on with."


If this is the style implied by the book and I have no reason do doubt that it is I'd like to comment on what you wrote. As you know I have the utmost respect for you and what you write. When you write something I take it to the bank. But when you state that:


"I don’t believe that anyone can win playing like this unless your opponents are extremely weak and limit hold ’em should be a very frustrating (and expensive) experience for you."


You're being much to kind. There is no possible way to win at hold'em as it's played in a casino with the style you describe that is written in the book.


One thing of interest possibly. On RGP Badger praised the forward and/or introduction by Eric Seidel for this book. What did you think of it? I haven't had a chance to read the book yet.


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Old 10-25-2001, 01:20 PM
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Here's what I think.


1. At the very low limits where the betting is spread you should be able to win a little playing as the authors describe in an easy game.


2. I doubt if Eric Seidel, who is a friend of mine, had read the book when he wrote the forward.


3. David talked to Cloutier during last years's WSOP and TJ was apparently shocked when he heard about some of the things written in the book. David also received a letter from their publisher asking for his help in fixing the errors for the next edition.
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Old 10-25-2001, 01:50 PM
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What did you think of Eric Seidel's forward to the book? It was praised as a must read for all limit hold'em players.
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Old 10-25-2001, 01:57 PM
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Erik Seidel=Super nice guy, probably has won/placed in more big limit hold'em tourneys than anyone.


TJ=never played a hand of 10-20 or 15-30 live limit hold'em in his life.


Tom McEvoy=nice guy, in his own little world, a bit foggy at times. Kinda like David!


Badger=based on his writings, knows Omaha, tourneys, online poker, movies & music, but is no babe magnet.
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Old 10-25-2001, 01:57 PM
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It's a very nice foreword, all 2 pages of it. It praises the authors and talks about how you have to adjust to different players with different game styles and thanks the authors for sharing their thoughts with us. But it has virtually no value in teaching you how to play.


I do remember the Badger post where he praised the introduction. It struck me as funny.
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Old 10-25-2001, 04:22 PM
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They say that almost every book is worth its price i.e., you will learn at least one or two new things that will help you win a pot or save a bet.


I ask you: Are there any redeeming qualities to this book? Assuming that I can spot and disregard the bad advice when I see it, is it worth the forty bucks or whatever it costs?


BTW, I look forward to seeing your review of Carson's book. I imagine that it has to be much better than this one.
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Old 10-25-2001, 04:54 PM
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Well the basic answer to your question is no, but the tournament stuff is probably a little better.
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Old 10-29-2001, 06:14 AM
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Have you talked to the authors about the book? These guys are about as big as it gets when it comes to poker names, I'm sure they wouldn't mind some constructive critcism. I'd love to hear what their viewpoint is.
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Old 10-29-2001, 06:49 AM
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I haven't talked to them but David did talk to TJ Cloutier during the WSOP. My understanding is that Cloutier wanted to get all these errors fixed.
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