Two little pair on 5th

rtrombone · #1 07-12-2003, 07:50 PM

Commerce 20-40. Decent game. Was great for a while when two guys who had never played before sat down. One dropped three racks in like an hour. Unfortunately, I didn't get any hands during this time.

I bring it in with (10 3) 2. A bunch of people limp in. On 4th I catch another 10, giving me (10 3) 2 10. A guy to my right bets with K [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] . Bettor is not that great, a little loose, a little aggressive. He's running pretty good though. I raise. A couple guys call two cold, bettor calls.

I catch another 3 on 5th. Now I have (10 3) 2 10 3. The bettor catches the A [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] , giving him K [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] . He bets into me again.

What's your play?

rtrombone · #2 07-13-2003, 08:03 AM

I thought this was a clear raise or fold situation. I decided that he was on some kind of draw since he'd check-raised with big hands before. I raised. Somebody who must have been on a club draw called two cold. To my dismay, the K [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] guy now 3-bet. Both of us called.

I caught a blank on 6th and the 3-bettor caught the K [img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img] , giving him a board of k [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img] . I mucked to his bet. Maybe I should have called, since there 13 big bets+ in the pot. On second thought, I definitely should have, even though I may have been drawing dead.

I never found out what the guy had. Club draw guy didn't get there and released his hand at 7th. I put the loose aggressive on at least aces up.

Andy B · #3 07-13-2003, 02:22 PM

I haven't read the results yet. It would be helpful to know what was behind you and how likely they were to call two bets cold. I would probably raise in an effort, possibly futile, to get it heads-up. If the other guys call anyway, then you'll be getting odds, more or less, to draw to your full house. [img]/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] If raising won't drive the other guys out, I think I'd just call and see what happens.

I probably wouldn't have made the fourth-street raise, but I'm not going to say it was incorrect. Your side cards aren't particularly helpful. If you can get it heads-up on fourth, great, but if you can reasonably anticipate that a couple of guys will call two cold, I would just call and hope I hit something.

If it's any consolation, I don't think anyone really knows how to play hands like Tens-up.

Andy B · #4 07-13-2003, 02:47 PM

When he three-bets, I think you're most likely up against Aces and Sixes, or maybe trip Sixes. When he hits his door card, you should probably feel a little sick. You might see the river, but you probably can't raise even if you make a full house. I don't think that folding on sixth was bad at all.

MRBAA · #5 07-13-2003, 04:01 PM

I wouldn't have called on fourth. Sure you might be ahead here, but you can't play your hand very confidently. Make one of your side cards an ace, then you've got a chance. As it is, just release this crap hand and wait for a better gambling opportunity.

Michael Davis · #6 07-18-2003, 03:05 AM

I haven't looked at the results yet, but I would call him on 5th and raise him up on 6th if he doesn't improve on board.

EDIT: For some reason, I thought the hand was heads up. Since it wasn't, I definitely would have raised 5th. There's no way he has you beat.

-Mike

Michael Davis · #7 07-18-2003, 03:11 AM

I don't think folding on fourth is a good play.

This player is described as loose-aggressive, yet he did not raise coming in with a K up. He may not have anything at this point, and the hands he could have are more likely to involve sixes than kings, I think.

Granted, this situation is marginal, and depends on factors not outlined in the original post, but raising is the way to go here. There's already decent money in the pot and you might have the best hand. I'm not worried about confidence: a marginal situation is what it is, but this one is definitely on the +EV side of the margin, IMO.

-Mike

Wombat6 · #8 07-19-2003, 01:08 PM

when you say a little loose a little aggressive does that include that he may be somewhat of a overzelous bluffer or semi bluffer. are his open cards live as well.

My play flat call early or late if your cards quite live and if most the table will pay off if you open pair. these others have decided to play as well and if this guy is going to bet into a field of callers he probably has a hand that can become strong like AXs buried.

Wombat6

SittingBull · #9 07-19-2003, 04:42 PM

SittingBull · #10 07-19-2003, 04:50 PM

backdoor Str8,flush,MUCK it on 3rd. EVEN if the player has a small/medium pair with the "K",his "K" is STILL LIVE--hence,there is a good chance that he will connect with another "K" on a later Str. But this folding IS marginal--u can connect with a set on some later Str. too.
However,since I'm a tight player,I would fold on 3rd.
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