AA in trouble?

Gugel · #1 12-06-2005, 06:40 PM

Hero has no stats on the villian (though I have been datamining). This suggests he is new to $400NL or does not play often. From 20 hands, villian has a VP$IP of 35.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($599.60)
Button ($365.10)
Hero ($574.80)
BB ($744)
UTG ($2444.23)
MP ($365)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $2.
1 fold, MP calls $4, 2 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $18, 1 fold, MP calls $16.

Flop: ($44) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $40, MP calls $40.

Turn: ($124) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $120, MP raises to $240, Hero ?

Easy fold?
Push?

xorbie · #2 12-06-2005, 06:55 PM

Looks like a fold.

ansky451 · #3 12-06-2005, 06:59 PM

Betting full pot on the turn just seems silly to me. You give your opponent an oppurtunity to play perfect poker pretty much.

I would hate to call off here, but I think I would. I think a set raises the flop, and I don't think I can safely put my opponent on a flush here.

Folding AA here is horrible for your meta-game considerations as well.

EDIT: If he were deeper I'd insta muck, Just seems wierd to bet almost half his stack then fold to a push.

ansky451 · #4 12-06-2005, 07:00 PM

We do realize that the villain is essentially all in for 300, and this isn't a real min raise.

xorbie · #5 12-06-2005, 07:03 PM

Yeah turn pot bet sucks.

iceman5 · #6 12-06-2005, 07:06 PM

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Betting full pot on the turn just seems silly to me. You give your opponent an oppurtunity to play perfect poker pretty much.

I would hate to call off here, but I think I would. I think a set raises the flop, and I don't think I can safely put my opponent on a flush here.

Folding AA here is horrible for your meta-game considerations as well.

EDIT: If he were deeper I'd insta muck, Just seems wierd to bet almost half his stack then fold to a push.

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It might be if the guy knew you were folding AA. Losing money because youre worried about metagame issues is whats horrible.

scdavis0 · #7 12-06-2005, 07:08 PM

who likes a smaller bet on the turn and who likes a check?

my standard line lately has been to check and value bet blank river if checked to or snap off a potential river bluff on a blank river

it's a little gross to give him infinite odds to draw out on you though

betting too weak invites a turn check/raise semi bluff

what's yalls standard line here?

UOPokerPlayer · #8 12-06-2005, 07:18 PM

easy fold. You don't have to bet that much on flop.

ansky451 · #9 12-06-2005, 09:17 PM

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It might be if the guy knew you were folding AA. Losing money because youre worried about metagame issues is whats horrible.

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Betting full pot on 3 consecutive streets then folding to a min raise when the villain is practically all in= horrible for meta-game no matter what you folded. I rarely take too much consideration into meta-game but this seems like a pretty close decision, and the metagame BS would probably sway me to the call side. I still might fold, esp if all the players were donks and not paying too much attention.