First turn/river bluff at 200NL - thoughts?

[RiverFenix]

Table is looney (same table as another post I made) so dont bother commenting on the pf call as the action post flop was worth it. Villian is pretty somber 40/12/1 and hasnt gone too far without serious goods.

I wasnt expecting the turn minraise to get him out, I was doing it to set up a river play and get button out.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($407.70)
MP ($450.41)
Hero ($189.05)
Button ($199.70)
SB ($178)
BB ($361.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $6, Button calls $6, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($21) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10, Button calls $10.

Turn: ($51) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $60</font>, Button folds, UTG calls $30.

River: ($171) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $100</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $271

[tdomeski]

value bet river

[odawg09090]

I think this play isn't very good. Raise more on the turn as a bluff or check the river for a free showdown.

[RiverFenix]

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I think this play isn't very good. Raise more on the turn as a bluff or check the river for a free showdown.

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I explained my turn action and what hand do you put villian on that I beat at showdown? Im trying to win this pot...

[tdomeski]

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what hand do you put villian on that I beat at showdown? Im trying to win this pot...

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I do not think villian will ever fold a better hand to that river bet.

[RiverFenix]

Not even a hand like TT? I cant put him on overcards if he leads twice OOP and aggro factor is 1

Against the tighter half of 200 players I like it if you raise a bit more on the turn and bet strong on the river.

That said I don't bluff at the tables with these players that often...

[rikz]

The turn min-raise makes no sense. Call if you want to play for the OESD, hoping you get a call behind you instead of a big raise. If button just calls, you would be getting 30:111 pot odds (3.7:1) to draw to 8 outs on the river (approx. 5.75:1). You would not have pot odds, but if you suspect you'd get a value bet out of the river if you hit, then the implied odds MIGHT make calling OK.

Another idea would be to raise in order to win. But a min-raise doesn't do it. Raising to at least $100 might fold him out. A psr would be more than you have, so pushing would be good unless you think it would look too suspicious and prompt a call from an ace-high hand for all your chips.

I just don't appreciate the purpose behind the min-raise.

As for the river bluff, as played, I think you're hand was probably good whether you bet or checked. Looks like missed over cards for UTG. If that's the case, a smaller bet might get a big ace (AK/AQ) to call just to see what you have. I think I would have checked behind and expected to win.