My biggest leak. Not folding

Cancuk · #1 11-26-2005, 09:14 AM

No reads on BB.
CO is terrible, he doesn't protect my hand. He was being a complete maniaclag earlier, but he's burnt about 40BB's already and is now a passive station who goes to the river on every hand no matter what he has. Buddy list.

PP 5/10 6 handed.

Hero has Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

CO limps, Button limps, Hero compleates, BB raises, all call.

Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero bets, BB raises, CO calls, button folds, hero calls.

Turn: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero checks, BB bets, Co calls, Hero calls.

River: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Hero checks, BB bets, Co calls, Hero calls.

Thoughts? Standard? Fold somewhere?
I think i pay off my top pair way to much.

#2 11-26-2005, 09:20 AM

is it normal to call the preflop raise with QJo?

i think your up against a set, but c/c doesn't seem so bad. tough hand.

kapw7 · #3 11-26-2005, 09:22 AM

If CO is that passive, why don't you 3-bet the flop. The rest of the hand, I cannot fold either without reads on BB, so I'm interested to see other replies.

kapw7 · #4 11-26-2005, 09:25 AM

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is it normal to call the preflop raise with QJo?

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Is it normal to fold 7:1 pot odds?

I am fish · #5 11-26-2005, 09:27 AM

It is in cases like this. Hero did not cold call a raise. He was calling a single bet back to him where he was closing the action. He was getting 7 to 1 odds, and he will almost always have more equity than that. Standard.

#6 11-26-2005, 09:38 AM

You are getting what... 12:1 on the river? I don't think I could fold against an unknown and a CO stuck in call-down mode.

In the same situation with unknown future action, anyone like leading the turn instead? Calling if raised and check-folding unimproved on the river maybe? Costs the same two big bets but you get another chance to drive CO out, or pay even more with who knows what, plus no free card for the BB.

Cancuk · #7 11-26-2005, 09:40 AM

I guess I could three bet the flop. But now you have great odds to call to the river w/ your five outs, and by the river, assuming the flop is capped and CO calls the whole way (which he would) theres 15 BB's in the pot. What now? You spewed more. I almost like the compleatly passive line, check calling the whole way, and donking the river and folding to a raise.

For "dontforgetlol", I didn't CC, I compleated from the SB, and the BB raised.

#8 11-26-2005, 10:17 AM

i would c/r the flop, or if i lead than 3 bet, when you just called i thought you are going for c/r on the river [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
i play my top pairs much more agressivly

Cancuk · #9 11-26-2005, 10:34 AM

When an unknown raises three players from the BB I would guess his range is something like this:

Ajo+, 10/10 +, KQo+.

I feel three betting the flop is spewing, inless your folding the turn UI if it gets capped, which I don't like since you're now getting 12:1 to call the turn. I think if you put in any more than 4 BB's into this hand w/out improving, you're being too aggressive w/out a read.

#10 11-26-2005, 10:51 AM

The flop looks perfect to go for a c-r/. If I check and it comes back two to me, I could fold. If I c-r and BB reraises, I could fold the turn UI. If he calls the c-r, I lead the turn.

As played, if all you really know about BB is how he played this hand and that you have an overcaller (even a terrible one), I think I'll fold the river. If CO had folded, I'd call.