PS 55+5 Turbo, tough decision with top pair

#1 11-16-2005, 12:30 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 (t1280)
Hero (t1490)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1690)
Button (t1440)
SB (t1220)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1760)
UTG+1 (t1650)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t100, Hero calls t100, 5 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: (t250) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets t100, Hero raises to t300, MP1 raises to t1180, Hero ?

This is the fifth hand of the tournament, no read on villain yet. Preflop is debatable but my main question is on the flop play. All feedback is greatly appreciated.

bluefeet · #2 11-16-2005, 01:38 AM

Well, you certainly didn't slow down a whiffed AK or mid-PP. The only hand I could see you ahead of here, based on that flop action, would be KQ - maybe JJ - maybe something nut-flushing.

But of course the hands you are behind are just as limited...AA,KK,QQ (I'm not giving him a 6).

Everything he has done to this point would point toward the latter.

Personally I think you're toast. But I have seen some crazy stuff at the 60's (in my limited experience).

It bites the big one when we choose to proceed PF, flop what is next to the best thing for us, and fold. But I might just reload my t1100 and live to see a few more orbits (easy to say from here granted).

Augie · #3 11-16-2005, 01:43 AM

I would have folded preflop, am I crazy tight?

I generally play the $16s and $27s, with occasional visits to the $60s.

Augie

handsome · #4 11-16-2005, 01:55 AM

Fold preflop.

bigt439 · #5 11-16-2005, 02:17 AM

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Well, you certainly didn't slow down a whiffed AK or mid-PP. The only hand I could see you ahead of here, based on that flop action, would be KQ - maybe JJ - maybe something nut-flushing.

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You have to loosen your ranges for villains. There are alot of donks. Not saying your conclusion is wrong.

Well, now I will. I call here. But it's kinda close I think. I mean you're only looking at KK or AA beating you and I think lots of other hands can play it like this. KQ and JJ from decent players, but QTs, 77, AT not believing you from donks lots too. You see people on the solid range I described more often, but you see the donks alot too. People are donks man. Big donks.

pooh74 · #6 11-16-2005, 11:52 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

MP1 (t1280)
Hero (t1490)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1690)
Button (t1440)
SB (t1220)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1760)
UTG+1 (t1650)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t100, Hero calls t100, 5 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: (t250) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets t100, Hero raises to t300, MP1 raises to t1180, Hero ?

This is the fifth hand of the tournament, no read on villain yet. Preflop is debatable but my main question is on the flop play. All feedback is greatly appreciated.

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I would have trouble laying this down too...but I think I should. PF can go either way. This is where having #s on opponents really helps in a SNG. IF their PFR and VPIP are through the roof then I will call PF. IF its someone I know that would only do this with JJ+, AQ+ in L1, ill chuck em PF.

This is a great flop for you given your hand obviously, but everything points to you being behind.

pokerlaw · #7 11-16-2005, 12:06 PM

folding pre-flop makes this easier to play on the flop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]