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Old 11-14-2005, 03:03 AM
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Default Tricky post-flop scenario

8/16 limit.

EP limps, I limp with KJo in MP, button raises and BB and
the rest call. 4 players. Pot is $64 (SB is considered rake)

Flop is AdKdJh.

EP checks. I bet into pre-flop raiser, who raises. Both BB
and EP cold call! What to do?

Raiser is aggressive with wide variety of hands. He does
not need a lock on this hand to raise post-flop. I am not
liking the two cold callers either.

If I re-raise here, I can certainly define the button's
hand if he caps (AA,KK,AJ,JJ and maybe QTs) in which case
I am drawing nearly dead. Meanwhile, I would expect at
least one of the cold-callers to call two more bets.

However, if the button simply calls my re-raise, it is
assumed both cold-callers will call one more bet. But the
button may be hoping for a safe turn card and that I will
bet into him again so he can raise and force callers to
pay 2BBs to chase.

Thus, I am not sure if a re-raise on the flop is correct.
I too want to see a safe turn card, and am prepared to
abandon this hand if I get more action on the turn.

I simply call the flop raise. Pot is $128. Turn is a
harmless 6c. BB and EP check. I decide to check along.
I expect button to bet but if there is a raise from BB
or EP I will fold. However, both simply call again.

Now what? Pot is $176 and offering me 11:1 on a chance
to improve to full house. I assume I can get at least
one more bet if I hit FH on the river but if button holds
AA,KK I am drawing dead; or AK or JJ nearly dead.

I do call and river is another harmless 4h. It is now
checked down and I win.

Button: AhQh
BB : As2s
EP : QdJd

Any thoughts on how to play this differently? I could have
gone ahead and bet into the raiser again on the turn and
folded if anyone raised. That may have been best.
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Old 11-14-2005, 03:08 AM
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Default Re: Tricky post-flop scenario

Raise preflop. 3-bet the flop. Don't post results, in fact if you have time you should edit them out.
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Old 11-14-2005, 03:16 AM
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Default Re: Tricky post-flop scenario

Raise preflop. Flop is ok. Bet the turn.
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Old 11-14-2005, 04:27 AM
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Default Re: Tricky post-flop scenario

Before everyone beats me up for not raising pre-flop, I'll
agree to this point but note that it probably doesn't change
the action on the flop.

I will still bet into the button, and he is still likely to
raise me with the two cold-callers coming in as well. So the
question I have is how far are people prepared to take this
two pair hand against this much action?

If you advocate re-raising the flop, what then is your next
course of action if it is capped? If it is not capped, what
action do you take if a harmless card comes on the turn but
your turn bet is raised (by anyone)?

If you were leary of an aggressive player behind you, would
you simply fold KJo pre-flop and avoid this scenario to begin with?
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Old 11-14-2005, 04:35 AM
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Default Re: Tricky post-flop scenario

No, I'd raise preflop. And this isn't a lot of action really. So they coldcalled, they have Ax or Kx or a Q or a diamond draw. You have 2-pair and there are turn cards that are going to slow you down. By just calling you don't define the strength of your opponents hands or your hand, so dealing with scary turn card and bets from your opponents is going to be harder. If you think that's too much action on the flop with 2-pair against an aggressive opponent who doesn't need a lock to raise the flop, you're being a little weak-tight.
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