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Old 11-05-2005, 11:05 PM
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Default Strange betting pattern....

Villain is 26/5/1

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB

Preflop and flop are standard. What about the turn check? What about the river bet and call?
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Old 11-05-2005, 11:19 PM
Lmn55d Lmn55d is offline
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Default Re: Strange betting pattern....

Hey, I like the turn check. Aces and Kings are fairly popular hands for a guy with these stats to be limping preflop I think. Yea, he could have something like J9 or Q9 but he probably wouldn't call a turn bet anyway and checking will often induce a call from these hands. You give a free card to JT/QT but I don't think this is enough of a reason to bet in this fairly small pot.

The river doesn't make much sense at all. Maybe he knows you'll value bet a king or something and has a big hand? It seems like you're gonna be beat here a ton, especially since there aren't too many draws on the flop and this guy's stat indicate he's fairly weak.
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Old 11-05-2005, 11:49 PM
New001 New001 is offline
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Default Re: Strange betting pattern....

I think I bet the turn here intending to check the river. There's a decent chance he's peeling the flop with something very weak, and I guess there's always the chance he folds a small pair when the Ace comes.
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Old 11-06-2005, 12:09 AM
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Default Re: Strange betting pattern....

I would bet-fold the turn
Calling the river raise doesn't look right but I would be curious to see wtf he's playing like that. 88/98?
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Old 11-06-2005, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: Strange betting pattern....

I think I like a turn bet. After a preflop raise, seems like no one is ever scared of a K high flop, but once they see the A they run. If he calls, I'd probably check behind on the river. If he raises I either fold right there or UI on the river.
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Old 11-06-2005, 12:51 AM
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Default Re: Strange betting pattern....

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After a preflop raise, seems like no one is ever scared of a K high flop....

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The exact opposite is true. Kxx is the perfect bluff flop. If anyone reasonable calls a bet on a flop like that, you can successfully give up on the turn.
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:02 AM
Lmn55d Lmn55d is offline
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Default Re: Strange betting pattern....

you don't want him folding a small pair dawg.
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: Strange betting pattern....

In my experience, this is one of two things.

A.) Your opponent has an Ace and is sophisticated and savvy enough to know that you will value bet a worse hand when checked to on the river and probably pay off a checkraise enough of the time to justify him not simply leading out. This is a pretty sexy play, though, and therefore unlikely considering the opponent.

B.) He found two pair somewhere along the line, and is one of those bad players who believe that it's a crime not to checkraise a big street with two pair. This is definitely the more likely scenario.

Either way, you're toast, and should probably fold given that this opponent is never checkraise bluffing the river better than 1 in 8 times.

It's a curious line, though, and I don't blame you for paying off to get a read on this guy (to see how tricky he is).
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Old 11-06-2005, 04:25 AM
KDawgCometh KDawgCometh is offline
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Default Re: Strange betting pattern....

I'd rather bet/fold the turn, but, your turn check opened you up to getting bluffed on the river possibly. I think that if you are gonna check the turn then you should be checking the river also
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Old 11-06-2005, 09:25 AM
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I'd rather bet/fold the turn, but, your turn check opened you up to getting bluffed on the river possibly. I think that if you are gonna check the turn then you should be checking the river also

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Doesn't bet/folding the turn open you up to more of a bluff? If you check the turn, you can call the same single bet on the river and see a showdown. I don't plan on folding once I check the turn, so I will be picking off any bluffs. One of the best ways to use position to our advantage is to check behind sometimes.
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