For those considering folding KK preflop in a $10+1 (LC)

jedinite · #1 11-03-2005, 04:43 PM

Background: thanks to Poker Tracker's recently added ability to show hourly rate, I'd decided it was time to think about developing my SNG repertoire to include the ability to play three or four tables at the same time (I currently two-table the SNGs that I play, sometimes with a third table running a multi-table tournament at the same time). Rather than start out three or four tabling my current level of $30+3, I decided I'd hop back down to the $10+1 and start practicing there. This was the first hand of a $10+1 that was part of a four-tabling session.

Small sample size - but i'll stick with the strategy of never folding KK preflop at this level, thank you.

Sorry for the lack of conversion on the HH, can't get it to work correctly for the all-ins so I figured the raw HH with the correct details was better...

***** Hand History for Game 2971373428 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17089336 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, November 02, 21:54:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 67072 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 8: Performify ( $800 )
Seat 5: bvb31 ( $800 )
Seat 7: glong2002 ( $800 )
Seat 6: JRockSlim ( $800 )
Seat 4: demo212 ( $800 )
Seat 1: domadoda ( $800 )
Seat 9: jca_8402 ( $800 )
Seat 10: generationy ( $800 )
Seat 2: jwwoods ( $800 )
Seat 3: mickpar ( $800 )
Trny:17089336 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Performify [ Kh Ks ]
jca_8402 folds.
generationy calls [15].
domadoda folds.
jwwoods folds.
mickpar folds.
demo212 folds.
bvb31 folds.
JRockSlim raises [50].
glong2002 calls [40].
Performify raises [335].
generationy is all-In.
JRockSlim is all-In.
jca_8402: lol
glong2002 folds.
Performify is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5h, 2s, 9h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5c ]
Performify shows [ Kh, Ks ] a full house, Fives full of kings.
generationy shows [ 4s, 4d ] a full house, Fives full of fours.
JRockSlim shows [ Qc, Ah ] three of a kind, fives.
Performify wins 2450 chips from the main pot with a full house, Fives full of kings.
generationy finished in ninth place.
JRockSlim finished in ninth place.
JRockSlim has left the table.
generationy has left the table.

Hornacek · #2 11-03-2005, 04:45 PM

Here you go.

splashpot · #3 11-03-2005, 04:53 PM

You think that's bad? This was from a $55. Sucked that I lost though.

***** Hand History for Game 2972657227 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:17095588 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Thursday, November 03, 01:38:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 68031 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Deceptikon ( $970 )
Seat 9: valorous ( $1380 )
Seat 6: ILIKESCOTCH2 ( $390 )
Seat 5: yeedogger ( $1255 )
Seat 4: empireny ( $2942 )
Seat 3: grizabe ( $1130 )
Seat 2: OreoMonster ( $835 )
Seat 10: accentprpl5 ( $1098 )
Trny:17095588 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to yeedogger [ Kh Kc ]
ILIKESCOTCH2 folds.
valorous is all-In.
accentprpl5 folds.
Deceptikon is all-In.
OreoMonster is all-In.
grizabe folds.
empireny folds.
yeedogger is all-In.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, 4d, 3d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
yeedogger shows [ Kh, Kc ] two pairs, kings and threes.
valorous shows [ Td, Tc ] two pairs, tens and threes.
Deceptikon shows [ Kd, Ac ] a straight, ace to five.
OreoMonster shows [ Jd, Jh ] two pairs, jacks and threes.
valorous wins 125 chips from side pot #3 with two pairs, tens and threes.
yeedogger wins 570 chips from side pot #2 with two pairs, kings and threes.
Deceptikon wins 405 chips from side pot #1 with a straight, ace to five.
Deceptikon wins 3390 chips from the main pot with a straight, ace to five.
OreoMonster finished in eighth place.
OreoMonster has left the table.

RedBean · #4 11-03-2005, 05:06 PM

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Small sample size - but i'll stick with the strategy of never folding KK preflop at this level, thank you.

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Thank you, Captain Obvious. I anxiously await your post explaining the color of the sky being blue.

Seriously though, at exactly what level are you considering folding KK pre-flop?

Me, I'm not folding KK pre-flop at any level.

Not at the 55's, not the 200's, not the Step Highers,not the WSOP....hell I am not folding KK pre-flop even if the tourney buy-in happened to be my wife and kids.

durron597 · #5 11-03-2005, 05:11 PM

$27 turbo.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 raises to t60, 1 fold, MP2 calls t60, 2 folds, Button calls t60, 1 fold, Hero raises to t270, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t210, MP2 calls t210, Button raises to t1500, Hero calls t1230 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t1230 (All-In), MP2 calls t1230 (All-In).

Flop: (t6030) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 4 all-in)

Turn: (t6030) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 4 all-in)

River: (t6030) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 4 all-in)

Final Pot: t6030

Hornacek · #6 11-03-2005, 05:11 PM

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Not at the 55's, not the 200's, not the Step Highers,not the WSOP....hell I am not folding KK pre-flop even if the tourney buy-in happened to be my wife and kids.

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I think Sklansky and Harrington would disagree with you. I was reading the Blog of the WSOP this year (as it was going on), and the most repeated bust was KK losing to AA.

playtitleist · #7 11-03-2005, 05:23 PM

At the 11s it's QQ too.

Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jackiedymond (800)
Seat 2: corstar111 (800)
Seat 3: playtitleist (800)
Seat 4: Zwizz1 (800)
Seat 5: Weto19 (800)
Seat 6: b00f00 (800)
Seat 7: knox1000 (800)
Seat 8: ebstarz09 (800)
Seat 9: DoDont1 (800)
Seat 10: skier333 (800)
corstar111 posts small blind (10)
playtitleist posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to playtitleist [ Qh, Qs ]
Zwizz1 raises (30) to 30
Weto19 folds.
b00f00 folds.
knox1000 folds.
ebstarz09 folds.
DoDont1 folds.
skier333 raises (800) to 800
skier333 is all-In.
jackiedymond folds.
corstar111 folds.
playtitleist calls (785)
playtitleist is all-In.
Zwizz1 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1640 with playtitleist,skier333
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ad, 2s, 9c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1640
Board: [ Ad 2s 9c 2c 4c ]
jackiedymond balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
corstar111 balance 790, lost 10 (folded)
playtitleist balance 1640, bet 800, collected 1640, net +840 [ Qh Qs ] [ two pairs, queens and twos -- Ad,Qh,Qs,2s,2c ]
Zwizz1 balance 770, lost 30 (folded)
Weto19 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
b00f00 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
knox1000 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
ebstarz09 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
DoDont1 balance 800, didn't bet (folded)
skier333 balance 0, lost 800 [ 9h Jh ] [ two pairs, nines and twos -- Ad,9h,9c,2s,2c ]

RedBean · #8 11-03-2005, 05:23 PM

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I think Sklansky and Harrington would disagree with you.

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That is just what they tell you in their books----- but you'd be hard pressed to see them actually laying down KK to an all-in before them.

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I was reading the Blog of the WSOP this year (as it was going on), and the most repeated bust was KK losing to AA.

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That is because live poker is rigged...

Nicholasp27 · #9 11-03-2005, 05:32 PM

that's because kk and aa are more likely than other hands to get it all in pf...so kk will come up against aa pf all-in more often...and since it only has 2 outs (besides flush/straight draws), it gets beat often when it crosses AA

Hornacek · #10 11-03-2005, 05:38 PM

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I think Sklansky and Harrington would disagree with you.

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That is just what they tell you in their books----- but you'd be hard pressed to see them actually laying down KK to an all-in before them.

[ QUOTE ]

I was reading the Blog of the WSOP this year (as it was going on), and the most repeated bust was KK losing to AA.

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That is because live poker is rigged...

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wait til u see mike the mouth at the final table then...