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Old 10-26-2005, 12:58 PM
PokerBob PokerBob is offline
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Canterbury 30/60 9 handed
This hand happened during the Fall Poker Classic a few weeks ago. Villian here is apparently a 2+2er from out of town. He is in the middle of a conversation with bicyclekick, who went up and introduced himself. I am not sure if BK has told him who I am, but I would love to know as it may have some bearing on how I should play this hand. Villain has been playing very tight (or has been card dead), as I have seen him involved in very few pots up to this point. I have been playing and running well at this point, which villain may or may not have noticed.

I open J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in UTG +1, folds to villain in the hijack who makes it 3-bets, blinds get lost and I call.

flop HU: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

what is my plan the rest of the way here? also, anyone go 4 bets preflop?
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Old 10-26-2005, 12:59 PM
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checkraise/4bet the flop... call down if you get more action.
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Old 10-26-2005, 01:00 PM
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I reraise preflop and lead. Here I check raise the flop.
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Old 10-26-2005, 01:30 PM
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I would take the HPFAP line and check and call all the way unless you improve. You raised from early postion and a solid tight player just reraised you. At this point he is likely to have a higher pair and thus youre cripped or two big cards and your barely ahead. This is not a sitaution where you would want to bombard the flop with chips. I see no reason to get aggressive at any point in this hand unless a jack hits. I also wouldve just called preflop as you did, and against other looser raisers I wouldve reraised preflop and lead the flop.
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Old 10-26-2005, 01:42 PM
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Seems silly not to AT LEAST lead the flop.
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Old 10-26-2005, 01:49 PM
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Seems silly not to AT LEAST lead the flop.

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Sometimes passive play makes more money in the long run than showing aggression, I think this is one of those cases.
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Old 10-26-2005, 02:13 PM
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At this point he is likely to have a higher pair and thus youre cripped or two big cards and your barely ahead.

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3-1 favorite is barely ahead? and if you take away the river card (ie he folds turn UI) you are a huge favorite.

I like c/r the flop.
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Old 10-26-2005, 02:19 PM
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Someone please explain to me why the HPFAP line does not apply to this situation? To me this situation exacly mirrors the book example, which says to check and call every street.
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Old 10-26-2005, 03:28 PM
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Someone please explain to me why the HPFAP line does not apply to this situation? To me this situation exacly mirrors the book example, which says to check and call every street.

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specifically with JJ? I don't remember this part.
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Old 10-26-2005, 03:35 PM
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checkraise/4bet the flop... call down if you get more action.

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yeah, this is fine, i think you can alternatively just call the 3bet. im most worried about him tkaing a free card if i use htis line though.
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