6M: 86s SB vs BB

numeri · #1 10-26-2005, 01:26 AM

Villain here is 50/19/1.13 after 40 hands. I'm still struggling with some lines vs. aggressive players. I should be raising PF if I'm playing, yes? Standard after that since I didn't?

Absolute 1/2 Hold'em (3 handed) (no converter)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, Hero completes (raise here, yes?), BB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

A related question: Suppose you raise this PF. What flops are good flops for you? If the flop contains paint, what's your plan? If you miss and the flop is ragged, do you bet/fold? Check/fold? Do you bet a good draw if you have one? Any other thoughts on hands like these versus an aggressive opponent?

#2 10-26-2005, 01:40 AM

think BB has a pocket pair? if so you're WA/WB

might be 77, betting on the draw

numeri · #3 10-26-2005, 01:45 AM

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think BB has a pocket pair? if so you're WA/WB

might be 77, betting on the draw

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No, I think BB has 44+, A7+, K8+, Q9+, or JT.

Vs. that range, I'm WA much more than I'm WB.

jaxUp · #4 10-26-2005, 01:46 AM

preflop I would likely raise here, and postflop, I think this is sexy. What if he raises river?

milesdyson · #5 10-26-2005, 01:46 AM

honestly, against this guy i fold preflop. he probably doesn't fold enough postflop to make raising good (and almost never folds his BB here), and he raises too much preflop to make completing good.

that said, i like every street postflop.

numeri · #6 10-26-2005, 01:48 AM

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What if he raises river?

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Ugh... good question. I have to call, but I don't expect to win very often. I don't have enough hands on the villain for a read that he's not tricksy and won't pull something like that with AK.

numeri · #7 10-26-2005, 01:50 AM

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honestly, against this guy i fold preflop. he probably doesn't fold enough postflop to make raising good (and almost never folds his BB here), and he raises too much preflop to make completing good.

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That was my thought as well. As soon as I clicked "call", I thought, "Damn. Now he's going to raise, and I have to call. Stupid." And you're right, he's not folding much, so I don't have much fold equity with a continuation bet.

#8 10-26-2005, 01:53 AM

grunch...

fold preflop?

TomBrooks · #9 10-26-2005, 03:54 AM

> I should be raising PF if I'm playing, yes?

- Usually better to raise or fold. But I don't feel this hand is good enough to raise and I don't want it to get three bet, so I fold it against someone that defends his blinds aggressively.

- Middle suited connectors and one gappers are not as strong as high cards heads up.

- I wouldn't mind limping it against a BB that rarely raises.

> What flops are good flops for you?

In order of best to worst, straight flushes, quads, full houses, rainbow straights, flushes, trips, two pair, one pair, low rags, high cards not of your suit. Note that a straight is probably better than a flush for you.

> If you miss and the flop is ragged, do you bet/fold?

Not against a BB that three bet me.

> Check/fold?

Yes, against a villian that three bet. He's got position on you. It's his hand unless you can win it with your cards. When your in position, you will almost always bet if OOP checks because it's your hand unless he has the cards to take it away from you.

> Do you bet a good draw if you have one?

If you think villian might fold, yes, otherwise no. If you think villian likes to raise, then tend not to bet.

> Any other thoughts on hands like these versus an aggressive opponent?

Just fold so-so stuff preflop against aggressive blind defenders.

@bsolute_luck · #10 10-26-2005, 06:27 AM

i like preflop. yeah this guy raises alot, but we still have a good hand compared to what he could have and i'd rather not get 3-bet and he isn't folding if we raise anyways.

i actually DON'T like postflop simply because this guy has an aggressive nature and we have to either pay the most and find out we're behind or fold possibly the best hand. and i really don't think this guy is finding the fold button no matter what we do so c/r isn't going to protect either.

c/c c/c c/c unless the board gets ugly anyone?