Do you call this river bet?

Scuba Chuck · #1 10-25-2005, 12:17 AM

7 handed, blinds are 15/30.

I have 840 preflop
Villain has 1115 preflop

Preflop: Villain is dealt black KK
Hero (utg) raises to 90, folds to BB who calls.

Flop: (t195) K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero bets 90, BB calls

Turn: (t375) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero bets 300, BB calls

River: (t975) Q: [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB bets enough to put hero allin, hero has ~360 left??

rbear · #2 10-25-2005, 12:20 AM

i'd like to think i don't... but...who knows

bigt439 · #3 10-25-2005, 12:42 AM

This hand is sooo much easier to play if you pot the flop. This river spot is ridiculous... I honestly don't know. I think I'd call, but I have my doubts as to whether that's the right play or not.

Scuba Chuck · #4 10-25-2005, 12:47 AM

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This hand is sooo much easier to play if you pot the flop. This river spot is ridiculous... I honestly don't know. I think I'd call, but I have my doubts as to whether that's the right play or not.

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If I pot the flop, I guarantee not to get any further action with this hand. An argument can be made to bet more on the turn I guess, but I'm certain, I'm not giving him odds to draw to anything except perhaps AT of diamonds (because he thinks his ace might be live).

bigt439 · #5 10-25-2005, 01:05 AM

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This hand is sooo much easier to play if you pot the flop. This river spot is ridiculous... I honestly don't know. I think I'd call, but I have my doubts as to whether that's the right play or not.

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If I pot the flop, I guarantee not to get any further action with this hand.

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Okay, I see what you're saying, but there are lots of combo hands that call. If you really are set on betting small on the flop, then push the turn.

microbet · #6 10-25-2005, 01:05 AM

I guess I call. Too big a chance he thinks the diamond will scare you off. But, it's close.

I would have bet a bit more heavily earlier too, but not necessarily a full pot on the flop.

#7 10-25-2005, 01:28 AM

you gotta fold. you are getting 1320:360, or 3.6:1 odds on the call here, but the chance that villain doesn't have a 10 or the flush are almost surely greater than 78 %. Its a fold.

adanthar · #8 10-25-2005, 01:29 AM

I disagree, I think he'll show you some random 2 pair often enough to make the call OK.

That said, I make it 120 on the flop (it either hit him or didn't) and I'm probably all in overbetting the turn (80 billion hands still call.)

#9 10-25-2005, 01:32 AM

what is the buy-in?

Nick M · #10 10-25-2005, 01:35 AM

you thinking maybe KQ??