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Old 10-22-2005, 02:32 PM
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Default $22: horrible?

#Game No : 2913846240
***** Hand History for Game 2913846240 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:16782801 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Saturday, October 22, 09:22:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 67177 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Nole585 ( $965 )
Seat 4: Bustadust ( $1585 )
Seat 6: ianlewis819 ( $1597 )
Seat 7: Domanooch ( $1140 )
Seat 9: drewman18 ( $863 )
Seat 10: chiaroscuro_ ( $1850 )
Trny:16782801 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to chiaroscuro_ [ Qc 5c ]
Nole585 folds.
Bustadust folds.
ianlewis819 calls [100].
Domanooch folds.
drewman18 calls [50].
chiaroscuro_ checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 9c, Qs ]
drewman18 checks.
chiaroscuro_ bets [100].
ianlewis819 calls [100].
drewman18 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
chiaroscuro_ bets [200].
ianlewis819 calls [200].
** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
chiaroscuro_ bets [200].
ianlewis819 is all-In [1197]
>You have options at Table 66980 Table!.
chiaroscuro_: Q high flush
Your time bank will be activated in 5 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
chiaroscuro_ will be using his time bank for this hand.
chiaroscuro_ folds.
ianlewis819 does not show cards.
ianlewis819 wins 2297 chips
Game #2913848890 starts.

Any comments welcome, I got completely berated for this after I said what I'd laid down. The flop bet should be bigger but I figured I wanted callers and I guess I should have bet the turn harder to see where I stood cos I was totally lost come the river. When the board paired I was dreading seeing 33 if I called. Or did he just perceive me as weak and run me over on the river?
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Old 10-22-2005, 02:43 PM
Freudian Freudian is offline
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Default Re: $22: horrible?

I don't think I ever laid down a Q-high flush when there are only three suited cards on the board in a $22.
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Old 10-22-2005, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: $22: horrible?

Bet more on the flop, bet more on the turn. Learn how to build pots.
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Old 10-22-2005, 02:47 PM
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Default Re: $22: horrible?

Yeah, I don't really think you should be folding this. Tons of opponents will come at you like this with much less than a boat or the two flushes that beat you; I can definitely see AQ, AA, some random 9 or a worse flush all doing these things. If you have much evidence to suggest otherwise, okay, but from what you've given I think this is a pretty easy call.
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Old 10-22-2005, 02:49 PM
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Bet more on the flop, bet more on the turn. Learn how to build pots.

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???

He did a pretty good job of putting himself in position to stack the second largest stack at the table with a nearly nut flush. I don't see pot building as the problem here.
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Old 10-22-2005, 02:54 PM
valenzuela valenzuela is offline
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Default Re: $22: horrible?

Q: horrible?
A: yes.

You need to have a plan.
Planning includes:
1) Knowing what does youre oponent have to do to make you fold.
2) Pot size manipulating.( Ie: If you have 1000 and you bet 400, u need to realize you cant fold if he comes back so you push instead... but if you dont want to risk youre stack you bet 200 instead so you can have a confortable folding cushion)
3)Suppose that pesky diamond completes the flush draw, are you checking or are you betting?, if youre second to act are you check/calling? re-raising a massive bet and folding to a small one? reraising to a bet and checking to a check?? ( this is different than number 1 because here youre looking at a scare card.
4) Planning includes all those 3 factors above, if you dont get my post it doesnt reallmy matter because experience will teach it anyway
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Old 10-22-2005, 02:57 PM
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Yeah, I don't really think you should be folding this. Tons of opponents will come at you like this with much less than a boat or the two flushes that beat you; I can definitely see AQ, AA, some random 9 or a worse flush all doing these things. If you have much evidence to suggest otherwise, okay, but from what you've given I think this is a pretty easy call.

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I figured villain would be raising anything decent preflop, including strong Q's - AQ, KQ, even QJs. Limping from the CO seemed to suggest a more marginal hand, Axc, K10c, maybe 33.

Either way I should be betting bigger and calling this on the river.
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Old 10-22-2005, 03:02 PM
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I got completely berated for this after I said what I'd laid down.

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You shouldn't talk about this stuff at the table.

Onaflag........
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Old 10-22-2005, 03:03 PM
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Either way I should be betting bigger and calling this on the river.

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I think you played it fine until the fold. The smallish riverbet is asking the other guy to come over the top. When he does, it should be an insta-call.
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Old 10-22-2005, 03:11 PM
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I got completely berated for this after I said what I'd laid down.

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You shouldn't talk about this stuff at the table.

Onaflag........

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Yeah the guy to my right definitely picked up on it and pushed from the SB the next few orbits.

Fair to say I got a bit Phil Hellmuth, thanks for the help guys.
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