3 hands for review - crying calls, value bets,snapped bluffs

RiverFenix · #1 10-19-2005, 01:40 PM

Been somewhat absent from poker since the party split. Just came back and found party games at the 100nl level to be pretty wild. All villians are between 35/10/3 & 50/15/5, havent played enough hands with them to see their lines. Am I chip spewing?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Button ($53.95)
SB ($72.70)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($144.80)
MP ($99)
CO ($78.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, 1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $4.5, Hero calls $4, UTG calls $3, CO calls $3.

Flop: ($20) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $8, Hero calls $8, UTG calls $8, CO calls $8.

Turn: ($52) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $35, UTG calls $35, CO folds, SB folds.

River: ($122) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $55, Hero calls $52 (All-In).

Final Pot: $229

I felt like I was snapping off a bluff here and contemplated pushing the river after he bet.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

UTG ($269.80)
MP ($130.90)
Hero ($97.85)
SB ($139.55)
BB ($133.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($20.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB raises to $24, Hero calls $12.

River: ($68.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $45, Hero calls $45.

Final Pot: $158.50

Over aggro vilian shows no aggression on any street. Was I hanging myself being OOP or value betting & getting a weak Q to fold?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

BB ($54.15)
UTG ($96)
Hero ($163.60)
Button ($219.70)
SB ($93.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button calls $7.

Turn: ($23.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button calls $15.

River: ($53.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $25, Button folds.

Final Pot: $78.50

Hoopster81 · #2 10-19-2005, 01:43 PM

1,3 look good.

In #2 I think you should have folded to the turn check-mini-raise.

EMcWilliams · #3 10-19-2005, 01:47 PM

One doesnt look like a full to me, I like your line there. Fish with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] x [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] will take this line, as well the guy that calls with middle pair or "slowplays" top pair.

Two...Im on the fnece about. 6 Max is not my best game, but I think villian has mid PP there, but id also probably fold to the min raise.

Three...It appears as if the villian had clubs. Giving him poor odds, looks right to me

FlyingStart · #4 10-19-2005, 01:53 PM

In hand #1 you're giving him a cheap showdown with anything you beat and you pay him off when he has you beat. Just bet first

elus2 · #5 10-19-2005, 02:05 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Been somewhat absent from poker since the party split. Just came back and found party games at the 100nl level to be pretty wild. All villians are between 35/10/3 & 50/15/5, havent played enough hands with them to see their lines. Am I chip spewing?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Button ($53.95)
SB ($72.70)
Hero ($100)
UTG ($144.80)
MP ($99)
CO ($78.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, 1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $4.5, Hero calls $4, UTG calls $3, CO calls $3.

Flop: ($20) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $8, Hero calls $8, UTG calls $8, CO calls $8.

Turn: ($52) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $35, UTG calls $35, CO folds, SB folds.

River: ($122) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $55, Hero calls $52 (All-In).

Final Pot: $229

I felt like I was snapping off a bluff here and contemplated pushing the river after he bet.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

UTG ($269.80)
MP ($130.90)
Hero ($97.85)
SB ($139.55)
BB ($133.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($20.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $12, BB raises to $24, Hero calls $12.

River: ($68.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $45, Hero calls $45.

Final Pot: $158.50

Over aggro vilian shows no aggression on any street. Was I hanging myself being OOP or value betting & getting a weak Q to fold?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

BB ($54.15)
UTG ($96)
Hero ($163.60)
Button ($219.70)
SB ($93.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button calls $7.

Turn: ($23.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button calls $15.

River: ($53.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $25, Button folds.

Final Pot: $78.50

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i play hand 1 the same.

hand 2 i check the turn. why would you push the river after he bets if you think he is on a bluff. there is no value to be made by getting him to fold worse hands.

hand 3 i check call the river sometimes. if villain is holding Qx you aren't value betting, you're bluffing.

RiverFenix · #6 10-19-2005, 02:28 PM

In hand #2 I thought I was up against a midPP here against an overly aggro villian. Since i didnt have much left, a push would almost force him to call and I would be getting extra value when I am ahead