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Old 10-19-2005, 12:00 AM
Bonafone Bonafone is offline
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Default Flop a set in a $109 and never raise

How do you like this line? Where do you play it different?


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Button (t1380)
SB (t890)
BB (t620)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t985)
MP1 (t1135)
MP2 (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
CO (t990)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t87.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t87.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets t40</font>, Hero calls t40, Button calls t40, SB calls t40, BB calls t40, UTG folds.

River: (t287.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises to t300</font>, Hero calls t300, Button calls t300, SB folds, BB calls t225.

Final Pot: t1487.50
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Old 10-19-2005, 12:14 AM
citanul citanul is offline
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Default Re: Flop a set in a $109 and never raise

with 6 opps, i bet *something* on the flop. you're going to get called, in usually a minimum of 2 spots, if you bet something small. they can't all have KQ, there's 5 of them!

having gotten to the river in the way you did, i'd probably still push over the 300 raiser on the end, as if he calls and you lose the limper, you're still making more than if you don't lose the limper.

note for my analysis i'm assuming your hand is gold here. i don't think there's much wrong with that, though i'd prefer to have not given the world free and cheap cards to hit some miracle garbage the whole way down.

i wind up playing a fair number of my big flopped hands in fairly passive manners, but i find your lnie here a bit much even for me... i think you will lose the least this way, but aren't coming close to winning hte most. and in this hand, i think your odds of winning &gt;&gt; odds of losing, particularly if you play it a bit differently.

alright, i'm off to bed.

c
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Old 10-19-2005, 01:31 AM
Ogre Ogre is offline
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Default Re: Flop a set in a $109 and never raise

at first i didnt like it but the result is good. i dont think you will usually get that much action of of those limpers on the turn and river which is why im not a big fan of it. I think i push the river almost every time
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Old 10-19-2005, 03:10 AM
Newt_Buggs Newt_Buggs is offline
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Default Re: Flop a set in a $109 and never raise

There's too many players and too small of a pot on the flop to not bet and start building the pot.
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Old 10-19-2005, 11:39 AM
kyro kyro is offline
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Default Re: Flop a set in a $109 and never raise

Like everyone else, you couldn't pay me not to be this flop.

Well...I guess if the price was right you could, but that's not the point.
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Old 10-19-2005, 12:45 PM
bigt439 bigt439 is offline
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Default Re: Flop a set in a $109 and never raise

I see:

good reason not to raise pf:
Just because

bad reasons to not bet flop:
I'm assuming you just don't think you'll get enough action, but like newt said you have to start building a pot and you don't want blinds and the like hitting hidden gutshots

no reason to not raise turn:
Baffles me. You at least got some interest, which is what you intended on doing by checking the flop, no?

and debateable reasons to not push river:
Yeah, you've ridiculously underrepresented your hand so utg +2 can be raising with a lot here given the situation, but I don't know about that on this board. BB likely has some two pair or something, straight is rare in my opinion. But UTG+2 can't have something like AJ in my opinion because that's a very ballsy raise of the BB, who has come to life and effectively said: 2 pair +. Maybe he is setted after all, and a just call is probably best, but this is just a lucky outcome of your play on previous streets.
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Old 10-19-2005, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: Flop a set in a $109 and never raise

I remember this hand.... I was a little surprised to see you show this down after that action, I think betting the flop builds a nice pot a little better with so many players in.
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