AA fold

[Nick_Foxx]

I play mostly Stud Hi/Lo and Omaha Hi/Lo, but occasionally I play a NLH SNG to switch things up. I thought this was an obvious fold but when I asked some friends, they were flat-out indignant that I folded AA pre-flop. Some considerations:

Seat 4 had been sitting out the entire tournament.
Seat 8 had shown an inclination to call very large bets with marginal holdings.

My reasoning:

1. If I move in and no one calls, I can steal the blinds, and still be the short stack.
2. If I move in and Seat 8 calls and I win, I will still be the short stack.
3. If I move in and Seat 8 calls and I lose... well, I don't have to explain that.
4. If I fold, I strongly believe I can beat Seat 5 who has been playing poorly, and at least finish second.

Fire away

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PokerStars Game #2784240991: Tournament #13683730, Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2005/10/12 - 01:56:49 (ET)
Table '13683730 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 4: (280 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: (3505 in chips)
Seat 7: Me (1280 in chips)
Seat 8: (8435 in chips)
Seat 8: posts small blind 50
Seat 4: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Me [A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Seat 5: folds
Me: folds
Seat 8: raises 100 to 200
Seat 4: folds
Seat 8 collected 200 from pot
Seat 8: doesn't show hand

Im not folding this hand preflop for anything. It doesnt matter if you think you can outplay someone at latter stages. I mean if you are going to fold aces preflop instead of pushing in with them at this blind level... wow... I mean just... wow.

[splashpot]

This is very very bad. The fact that the shortie is sitting does mean you should tighten up considerably, but not folding everything. Sure you might be able to fold into the money, but there is also the possibility shortie comes back, doubles up. Then you're screwed.

I've said it before. If top 3 paid equal prizes, folding would be correct. Otherwise, this just sucks.

[Rduke55]

I'm assuming this is a joke.

[bluefeet]

You're only behind one possible holding (pocket's of course) - I think I'd risk the push [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Rduke55]

And even if seat 5's playing poorly he's got almost a 3:1 chiplead on you and the big stack's going to be hammering you and you're going to have to call with K9o or something.

[splashpot]

I just remember that folding AA preflop is covered in the FAQ. In general, it says don't do it.

Yup, please read the FAQ. LOL!

[lem45216]

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AA fold

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Oh dear.

[tjh]

Your analysis about possible outcomes fails to take into account table image.

If you push and get called you are shown as having aces when you push. Not a bad thing future pushes may get a little more respect. If you push and they fold you can show your aces, and once again it may have some future effect.

I do not put a lot of weight on table image but certainly it has some effect. No way I am folding aces.

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tjh