NC: Public Humiliation, or, Aversion Therapy.

Borodog · #1 10-13-2005, 07:17 PM

I've decided that the best way to stop doing things like this is to expose myself to public ridicule.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB

I are teh suck.

ncboiler · #2 10-13-2005, 07:25 PM

Hey!!! That's a typical drunk Friday night hand for me.

Harv72b · #3 10-13-2005, 07:28 PM

I played about 30 hands like this today.

Difference was, I was the guy with AQ, and the river was a 9. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Borodog · #4 10-13-2005, 07:32 PM

Harv watched me "play" this hand, if you can call it that. Along with at least a couple other stinkers, although nothing like this.

I.e., Harv can testify that I are teh suck.

TheHammer24 · #5 10-13-2005, 08:11 PM

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I played about 30 hands like this today.

Difference was, I was the guy with AQ, and the river was a 9. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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lmao

Harv72b · #6 10-13-2005, 08:33 PM

Honestly, I didn't notice you doing anything stupid at that table...then again, I was getting my ass handed to me on two others at the same time. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Well, okay....the 22 river call was kinda stretching. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Borodog · #7 10-13-2005, 08:38 PM

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Honestly, I didn't notice you doing anything stupid at that table...then again, I was getting my ass handed to me on two others at the same time. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Well, okay....the 22 river call was kinda stretching. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Bah on that. If I was good on the flop I'm good on the river!

Harv is the BB here:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB raises, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (7.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (7.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.20 BB

Harv72b · #8 10-13-2005, 09:07 PM

I'm not going to say that I would never bet A high on that river, but it would be pretty rare...when you raised the flop you made it pretty clear that you had an underpair, and the river card certainly isn't scary enough to get you to fold it. So far more than 1 in 8 times, I'm betting for value here.

Still not sure what I would've done if you'd bet the turn; I guess check/call & donk the river. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Borodog · #9 10-13-2005, 09:23 PM

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I'm not going to say that I would never bet A high on that river, but it would be pretty rare...when you raised the flop you made it pretty clear that you had an underpair, []band the river card certainly isn't scary enough to get you to fold it.[/b] So far more than 1 in 8 times, I'm betting for value here.

Still not sure what I would've done if you'd bet the turn; I guess check/call & donk the river. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I give you $10 out of the kindness of my heart, and all you do is complain!

Actually, I used the SA/WB theory. I'm either slightly ahead, or way behind. Once I raised the flop, I had already decided that I was only putting in 1 more bet, if that. I could either put it in on the turn and risk getting check-raised by tricky Harv with AK, who will correctly realize it's damn hard for me to call with a small pair knowing I have to call again on the river (so bet-call on the turn actually costs me 3 enormous big bets), or check behind and try to induce AK to value bet on a safe river. I'd have folded an A or K river.

Can you say with 100% certainty that had I checked behind on the same exact hand, except you held AK, that you would absolutely not value bet the river?

Harv72b · #10 10-13-2005, 09:44 PM

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Can you say with 100% certainty that had I checked behind on the same exact hand, except you held AK, that you would absolutely not value bet the river?

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Not 100%, but at least 90%. I may have check/called with AK hoping that you just put a move on me on the flop, or I may even have check/raised to get you to lay down your underpair. But I'm pretty confident that you're not folding an underpair on this board if I lead the river after playing it so weakly on the flop & turn. And especially not with the way I was running this evening. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

If I did lead the river, it would be a bluff and not a value bet, because I seriously doubt you'd call with a worse hand. A donk, yeah, but not you.