($33): Terrible TT play at lvl2?

xJMPx · #1 10-12-2005, 01:46 PM

I have no reads on my opponents in this hand.

Was this a terrible move?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t1835)
BB (t195)
Hero (t800)
UTG+1 (t1305)
MP1 (t655)
MP2 (t275)
MP3 (t1140)
CO (t1185)
Button (t610)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t90, 4 folds, CO calls t90, 2 folds, BB raises to t195 (all-in), Hero raises to t800(all-in), CO calls t710.

schwza · #2 10-12-2005, 01:52 PM

i woulda limped, and then called the push. then i'd lead out on any non-A flop and fold if CO reraised. this line's not terrible though, imo.

Karak567 · #3 10-12-2005, 01:56 PM

I'd probably do the same thing.

pineapple888 · #4 10-12-2005, 01:57 PM

I don't know if it was "terrible", but it seems overaggressive.

An isolation raise is tempting with a pair, since you want to play heads-up, but this doesn't seem to be the right situation:

- BB isn't desperate yet at L2, so you can expect a good hand there
- CO already flat-called your raise and has you covered
- TT isn't all that great a hand

It would be reasonable to fold, but I like a call, and try to check it down. If CO does his own isolation raise, then fold.

schwza · #5 10-12-2005, 01:58 PM

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I'd probably do the same thing.

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you open raise?

xJMPx · #6 10-12-2005, 02:44 PM

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I'd probably do the same thing.

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you open raise?

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This is a hand that I have been struggling a bit with. I played a multi table event on the weekend and posted an UTG TT hand that I open limped with in a similar situation. I got some advice there to open-raise with it. I was going to open limp again here, but then second guessed myself based on the advice I received (only one poster responded).

So, is open limping UTG with TT pretty standard for everyone? Then, what's ur play with a big reraise?

kevstreet · #7 10-12-2005, 03:02 PM

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So, is open limping UTG with TT pretty standard for everyone? Then, what's ur play with a big reraise?

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It's early in the tournament so I'd open limp and when faced with a raise I'd call and play the 10s for set value. I'm guessing that's pretty standard. If the flop came all under cards I'd have to re-evaluate.

RobGW · #8 10-12-2005, 03:11 PM

Whether you want to open limp or raise with TT is a matter of style I guess. It's not wrong either way. Since you chose to raise though now lets take a look at the action. CO flat calls which tells me he has a good but not great hand. Certainly not a pair higher than TT. BB going all in just says he has a hand he wants to go with. Could be a high pair, could be a low pair, could be two high cards. But you cant fold for $95 more. Given the CO flat call I'd push here too to get it heads up. I wont mind racing with the shortstack given the extra money in the pot and his raise was only 95 more. So no its not a terrible play. at all. If CO called then thats the breaks I guess.

xJMPx · #9 10-12-2005, 03:52 PM

Thanks for all the replies.

My thoughts when making my decision was that the CO has not shown much strength by flat calling, so if I push I will more than likely isolate against the BB, if not I'm probably in a coinflip situation (not that I'm happy with that, but I think the times he folds it's +EV).

I also didn't give the BB much respect because, although I had no reads on him, short stacks this early are often weak players that could be doing this with a very large range of hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t1835)
BB (t195)
Hero (t800)
UTG+1 (t1305)
MP1 (t655)
MP2 (t275)
MP3 (t1140)
CO (t1185)
Button (t610)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t90, 4 folds, CO calls t90, 2 folds, BB raises to t195(all-in), Hero raises to t800(all-in), CO calls t710.

Flop: (t935) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)

Turn: (t935) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)

River: (t935) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)

Results:
BB has Ad 9h (one pair, aces).
Hero has Th Ts (three of a kind, tens).
CO has Qd Qs (straight, ace high).
Outcome: CO wins t935.

pineapple888 · #10 10-12-2005, 04:10 PM

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the CO has not shown much strength by flat calling

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Other people have agreed with you, but to me, a call of an UTG raise shows strength.