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10-10-2005, 10:06 AM
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Throw up and fold right? (Aces)
Full Ring 100NL
Villian just sat down 2 orbitz ago and has played 2 hands winning them both without a showdown. I have some notes on him as a good player who does not get out of line and plays pretty ABC. I've played TAG and built my stack from 50.00 to 76.00. Villian (60.00) raises in MP1 to 2.50, Hero with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] reraises to 7.00. Villian calls. (15.00 pot) Flop is Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Villian takes like 4 seconds and checks. Hero???? I felt like I was gonna throw up. I felt so lost. I bet $8.00 and he mincheckraised me to $16.00. Hero folds right?? He didn't show me, but said he had it AK. 
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#2
10-10-2005, 10:21 AM
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Re: Throw up and fold right? (Aces)
Apart from betting more like $12 on the flop, looks pretty good.
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#3
10-10-2005, 10:22 AM
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Re: Throw up and fold right? (Aces)
That flop is about as bad as it gets for your Aces. Unless I had a strong read (and I mean strong) on the villain to tell me otherwise, I'm probably laying this down.
Fold it, & forget about it!
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#5
10-10-2005, 10:50 AM
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Re: Throw up and fold right? (Aces)
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Yup terrible flop, I'd bet $10-15 and fold if raised. [/ QUOTE ] Why exactly are we betting if Villain checks this flop to us? We all know it's the worst possible flop for our hand and we are finished with the hand after we take this one token aggressive action. What better hands will fold to our bet and what worse hands will call? Why would we not check behind and see if the turn brings a King for free?
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10-10-2005, 10:53 AM
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Re: Throw up and fold right? (Aces)
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[ QUOTE ] Yup terrible flop, I'd bet $10-15 and fold if raised. [/ QUOTE ] Why exactly are we betting if Villain checks this flop to us? We all know it's the worst possible flop for our hand and we are finished with the hand after we take this one token aggressive action. What better hands will fold to our bet and what worse hands will call? Why would we not check behind and see if the turn brings a King for free? [/ QUOTE ] Because you're still WAY ahead of hands like A/10, A/J and AQ and slightly against of KK. Gotta figure out where you are and you don't know without betting.
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10-10-2005, 10:58 AM
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Re: Throw up and fold right? (Aces)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yup terrible flop, I'd bet $10-15 and fold if raised. [/ QUOTE ] Why exactly are we betting if Villain checks this flop to us? We all know it's the worst possible flop for our hand and we are finished with the hand after we take this one token aggressive action. What better hands will fold to our bet and what worse hands will call? Why would we not check behind and see if the turn brings a King for free? [/ QUOTE ] Because you're still WAY ahead of hands like A/10, A/J and AQ and slightly against of KK. Gotta figure out where you are and you don't know without betting. [/ QUOTE ] So, given OP's description of villain, you think he has AT, AJ, and AQ in his hand range given the preflop action? Check behind.
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10-10-2005, 11:13 AM
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Re: Throw up and fold right? (Aces)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yup terrible flop, I'd bet $10-15 and fold if raised. [/ QUOTE ] Why exactly are we betting if Villain checks this flop to us? We all know it's the worst possible flop for our hand and we are finished with the hand after we take this one token aggressive action. What better hands will fold to our bet and what worse hands will call? Why would we not check behind and see if the turn brings a King for free? [/ QUOTE ] Because you're still WAY ahead of hands like A/10, A/J and AQ and slightly against of KK. Gotta figure out where you are and you don't know without betting. [/ QUOTE ] So, given OP's description of villain, you think he has AT, AJ, and AQ in his hand range given the preflop action? Check behind. [/ QUOTE ] If you check behind we're getting bluffed out of a lot of pots IMO. Bet the flop and fold to a raise.
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#9
10-10-2005, 11:32 AM
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Re: Throw up and fold right? (Aces)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yup terrible flop, I'd bet $10-15 and fold if raised. [/ QUOTE ] Why exactly are we betting if Villain checks this flop to us? We all know it's the worst possible flop for our hand and we are finished with the hand after we take this one token aggressive action. What better hands will fold to our bet and what worse hands will call? Why would we not check behind and see if the turn brings a King for free? [/ QUOTE ] Because you're still WAY ahead of hands like A/10, A/J and AQ and slightly against of KK. Gotta figure out where you are and you don't know without betting. [/ QUOTE ] So, given OP's description of villain, you think he has AT, AJ, and AQ in his hand range given the preflop action? Check behind. [/ QUOTE ] If you check behind we're getting bluffed out of a lot of pots IMO. Bet the flop and fold to a raise. [/ QUOTE ] And your line if Villain calls and leads turn is? Fold, right. So what if he bluffs the turn. The read here is that villain is solid ABC. If you shutdown after a 12 BB flop bet, why waste the 12BBs in this specific situation. What hands is Villain likely to hold that we beat that would check this flop to us?
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#10
10-10-2005, 11:39 AM
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Re: Throw up and fold right? (Aces)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yup terrible flop, I'd bet $10-15 and fold if raised. [/ QUOTE ] Why exactly are we betting if Villain checks this flop to us? We all know it's the worst possible flop for our hand and we are finished with the hand after we take this one token aggressive action. What better hands will fold to our bet and what worse hands will call? Why would we not check behind and see if the turn brings a King for free? [/ QUOTE ] Because you're still WAY ahead of hands like A/10, A/J and AQ and slightly against of KK. Gotta figure out where you are and you don't know without betting. [/ QUOTE ] So, given OP's description of villain, you think he has AT, AJ, and AQ in his hand range given the preflop action? Check behind. [/ QUOTE ] If you check behind we're getting bluffed out of a lot of pots IMO. Bet the flop and fold to a raise. [/ QUOTE ] And your line if Villain calls and leads turn is? Fold, right. So what if he bluffs the turn. The read here is that villain is solid ABC. If you shutdown after a 12 BB flop bet, why waste the 12BBs in this specific situation. What hands is Villain likely to hold that we beat that would check this flop to us? [/ QUOTE ] The idea with a continuation bet isn't to waste 12 BB, it's because there's a good chance he didn't hit anything and will fold. If he calls we know that he probably has us beat (definitely so if he raises). Hands that we beat that he would check to us: AQs, small PP, maybe some SC.
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