Weak-Tight or Just Right?

GrunchCan · #1 10-10-2005, 02:14 AM

Playing live for the last 2 days, it occurs to me that I might be too tight in certian spots. I don't think I'm passive or weak, but I very well may fold in spots where I can continue. (Maybe that means I'm weak) Examples follow:

All hands come from the 1-3 NL 200 max game at Excalibur today. 10-handed unless otherwise specified.

Hand 1: Hero is 150 with KQo UTG & folds. (Twice)

Hand 2: Hero is ~125 with 22 UTG & folds.

Hand 3: Hero is on button & ~100 with AKs. Early donk open-raises. Middle TAG calls. Late LAG calls. I fold.

Hand 4: Hero is UTG with AKo & ~150. Open-raises to 15. (Typical raise at table is 7, but it never steals the blinds.) MP TAGish calls, others fold. Flop comes K-high no draws. I bet 30. Opponent raises to 100. I fold.

Are these exam ples of being weak, or better than donks?

yvesaint · #2 10-10-2005, 02:18 AM

hand 1 full-ring i almost always fold

hand 2 depends on table tendencies, but usually good for a limp

hand 3 whats the size of the raise, i probably push here with a stack of 100

hand 4 is read-dependent

amoeba · #3 10-10-2005, 02:22 AM

I agree with your lines.

Isura · #4 10-10-2005, 02:23 AM

Hand 1: Folding this is fine.

Hand 2: This is much better than KQo in this spot, call.

Hand 3: Push. There's probably about 15bb in the pot now, and you only have 33bb behind you.

Hand 4: Tough spot. How is your image? Reads help here. But with 50bb stacks, I don't mind a push either.

crosse91 · #5 10-10-2005, 02:23 AM

looks good, but limp the 22.

BobboFitos · #6 10-10-2005, 02:25 AM

hand 1 i can understand.

2 im scratching my head

3 im REALLY scratching my head

4 im scratching my head because... why do you want to steal the blinds?

GrunchCan · #7 10-10-2005, 02:31 AM

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Hand 4: Hero is UTG with AKo & ~150. Open-raises to 15. (Typical raise at table is 7, but it never steals the blinds.) MP TAGish calls, others fold. Flop comes K-high no draws. I bet 30. Opponent raises to 100. I fold.

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hand 4 is read-dependent

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this could be a big source of trouble for me, now that you mention it. at the time, i was certian that i was beat & drwing to 2 outs, so that makes my fold a good one.

but after i folded, i felt like my image was becoming weak-tight. i was concerned that the better players would put in a raise against me expecting me to fold, almost regardless of what they held. maybe he raised me b/c he knew i would fold?

one of my biggest leaks from days gone by is thinking that the opponents are bluffing my far more often than they actually were. i still have the same hunches about my opponents' bluffing tendancies, but now i fold more often than i used to, b/c i know that my hunch is wrong very often. did i swing too far th other way, and now i'm too tight? i guess i dont have confidence in my reads in this kind of situation. actually, it may be more accurate to say that i have conflicting reads. one read tells me he's bluffing, the other says that i only think he's bluffing.

amoeba · #8 10-10-2005, 02:35 AM

just wanted to correct what you said about 2 outs.

its either runner runner, or its 5 outs with possible 8 outs on river.

GrunchCan · #9 10-10-2005, 02:35 AM

regarding the 22 hand, i folded PF becasue the table had been aggressive PF, and i was quite certian that if i limped the pot would be raised and i would have to see a raised flop against 1-2 opponents.

given this, call anyway?

amoeba · #10 10-10-2005, 02:36 AM

does it matter if you hit the set?

with the set, don't you want more players?