Affiliates = PIMPS

toxtox · #1 10-09-2005, 04:40 AM

This topic is continued from another thread, but made me wonder if anyone else feels this way.

toxtox · #2 10-09-2005, 04:52 AM

sites should offer the option of doing away with the middle man for those people who want to sign up directly. it seems ridiculous that people decide they want to play at a certain site THEN go look for an affiliate...who thus arent doing anything for the site in terms of rounding up these kind of players (since they already knew about the site and already wanted to play there).

Petomane · #3 10-09-2005, 05:02 AM

I agree. Now that the rakeback scam is over, I wonder how many "winning" players will be left?

toxtox · #4 10-09-2005, 05:08 AM

judging from the replies i got in my other thread "to all of you who are so upset about this..." id say not too many.

im glad the pimps are taking a hit though, moreso than the rakeback whores (to continue the analogy - and including myself, lol).

John Ho · #5 10-09-2005, 05:18 AM

Well the difference here is that the recreational, non rakeback receiving players are in effect subsidizing our rakebacks since none of their rake is given to any affiliates. I have no problem with this concept as us heavy usage players are in effect partners with our playing sites. New players feel much better playing with a site where they see hundreds of games going rather than smaller sites that seem (unfairly or not) as if they may go out of business next week. And we keep games going which otherwise might break if they got too short.

I would compare Affiliates to discount stockbrokers. They take money from you and do little real work in return but having a full service broker taking the same orders from you but charging you triple is much worse.

toxtox · #6 10-09-2005, 05:28 AM

Yes but dont you feel that sites who already have set it up so that they auto-pay your rakeback to your account should set up an option for the informed player to do away with the middle man affiliate?

When i signed up at Carribean Sun I knew I would open an account there to try out the site for awhile..so I went looking for an affiliate then downloaded the site through his link without even talking to him....then Caribbean Sun automatically puts my rakeback in my account every month. meanwhile other then a quick email to tell this affiliate that i signed up, he has done nothing and served no part in bringing me to the site, yet he gets a chunk of my rake. That is absurd. Caribbean is the one doing the payments, he is doing nothing and did not recommend me to the site or anything in the first place. The affiliate in cases like this is useless. (P-I-M-P)

John Ho · #7 10-09-2005, 05:40 AM

All true but the fact is we DO NOT WANT everyone on every site to get rakeback. Because everything that goes to THEM comes from somewhere and that means US. The regular players do the sites a big service by keeping games running and making the site look active. I have no problem with a system that rewards us.

You can hate the affiliates all you want. Otherwise the alternative is NO ONE gets rakeback (bad) or EVERYONE gets some sort of rakeback (which is in itself a retarded concept and worse than using affiliates.)

Who cares if someone is making money off you? Worry about what you are making money yourself by using this guy's service? If most homebuyers really thought about how much money the real estate agents make off them for basically doing monkey work they would probably stab the agent. But what are you gonna do.....not buy a house cause it makes someone else money?

toxtox · #8 10-09-2005, 05:50 AM

I'm not saying you should automatically be signed up for rakeback through the site. otherwise that would be the exact same as them simply reducing the entire rake by 25-30%.

im talking about the sites having a discreet option for people who already know the site offers rakeback to not bother with the affiliate, who really isnt necessary at these sites.

The reason i care that this dude makes money off me for doing nothing is that its money that could otherwise go back to ME. If the site is giving him 5% of my rake and me 25% of my rake, I'd rather go directly thru the site and get the whole 30% myself. makes sense no? (just as how a hooker who finds her own johns shouldnt have to give a cut to her pimp who did nothing to arrange it all).

Unabridged · #9 10-09-2005, 05:55 AM

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All true but the fact is we DO NOT WANT everyone on every site to get rakeback. Because everything that goes to THEM comes from somewhere and that means US. The regular players do the sites a big service by keeping games running and making the site look active. I have no problem with a system that rewards us.

You can hate the affiliates all you want. Otherwise the alternative is NO ONE gets rakeback (bad) or EVERYONE gets some sort of rakeback (which is in itself a retarded concept and worse than using affiliates.)

Who cares if someone is making money off you? Worry about what you are making money yourself by using this guy's service? If most homebuyers really thought about how much money the real estate agents make off them for basically doing monkey work they would probably stab the agent. But what are you gonna do.....not buy a house cause it makes someone else money?

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why couldn't the sites just set a minimum MGR to get rakeback? that way the occasional players don't get it.

i completely agree with the OP. the affiliates get rich just for shuffling customers around the same site and transferring money. now that everyone is aware of partypoker, it would be in theirs and player's best interest to just give rb directly.
its just that simple:
party gives $X to affiliates, affiliates take $Y and give $X-Y to players. so it costs party $X to buy $X-Y worth of loyality. instead they could just give $X-Y straight to the players account and achieve the same effect. the players benefit by being guarenteed a timely payment in their account.
anyone who disagrees is a pimp

toxtox · #10 10-09-2005, 06:00 AM

yep...but atleast at the sites where the affilates are responisble for transferring out the money they are actually doing something (all be it, very little). at many sites the transfering is done by the site itself (such as Carribean Sun and BetonBet, and I think UB is/was that way as well but dont know from experience). In these cases the affiliate does jack-all. doesnt even have to deal with u signing up, you simply download the site thru his link in many cases. quite silly to me.