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Old 09-28-2005, 03:59 AM
Foribald Foribald is offline
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Default Can\'t get my VP$IP up...

I can't get my VP$IP up it now on 25% which is to low. I want to get it up to at least 28%.

Stealraising: 40%
Protecting sb: 16% (a little low)
Protecting bb: 50%
Protecting bb hu: 60% (a little low)
PRF: 18%

Hans i play UTG:
A4s+
9Ts+
AT+
QJ+
66+

Hand that i hijack with:
AT+
A9s+
KQ+
QJs+
77+

I cannot anderstand what hands I'm suppose to play to get it up. Of course I don't always hijack with those hands as well as the hands that I play UTG but if game i normal.

Playing 5/106max and 10/20 6max.
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Old 09-28-2005, 04:52 AM
Catt Catt is offline
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Default Re: Can\'t get my VP$IP up...

Don't alter your play to get stats into some sort of "nirvana" zone. Play your hands for expectation.

My VPIP is higher than yours but I'm tighter than you in UTG / EP. Probably means I am looser in LP or I play more shorthanded tables or I defend my blinds more liberally. Regardless, I'd never look to change my "basic" play because of a stat comparison; and I'd not start comparing a basic starting range to another possible range because stats told me I was a bit tighter than I think preferable (I might raise QTo UTG in some situations and fold KJo in the same position in other situations -- i.e., it is situational).
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Old 09-28-2005, 04:59 AM
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Default Re: Can\'t get my VP$IP up...

Talk to your doctor and request a free trial of vpipagra.
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Old 09-28-2005, 05:02 AM
AlwaysWrong AlwaysWrong is offline
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Default Re: Can\'t get my VP$IP up...

Um.. you're tighter in the hijack than UTG?

Anyways, as catt said, don't sweat the numbers like that. My personal feeling is that if you're trying to force yourself up to a higher vpip like that you aren't good enough to win with the extra hands you'd be playing. When you are that good, finding the extra hands should come naturally.
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Old 09-28-2005, 05:31 AM
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Default Re: Can\'t get my VP$IP up...

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When you are that good, finding the extra hands should come naturally.

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well put.

i think it's also worth noting that a starting-hand type chart or set of guidelines is decent to start...but this should be adjusted by table and opponents.


I'm on the button with A7o.
CO raises.
If CO is 21/9 then I'm letting it go.
If CO is 65/45 and is extremely easy to push around post-flop then a 3-bet isolation is a good idea much of the time.


So think about your opponents, what you are doing, and why you are doing it.
Don't just add more hands for the sake of adding hands.


Also - 25% VPIP seems fine to me. No reason to try to pump it up...especially if your sense of WHY you would want to pump up certain hands isn't quite there.
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Old 09-28-2005, 05:33 AM
T-REX T-REX is offline
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Default Re: Can\'t get my VP$IP up...

UTG add Axs, Q9s, K9s, 98s, KT, 44+,
I would add game dependant. I personally hardly ever play these,

Hijack, whats what a term for?
Surely not raising a limper as you should be doing that with many more hands than you have listed.
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Old 09-28-2005, 05:33 AM
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I almost started crying.
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Old 09-28-2005, 09:51 AM
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ROTFLMAO. Excellent!
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Old 09-28-2005, 10:12 AM
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Default Re: Can\'t get my VP$IP up...

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UTG add Axs, Q9s, K9s, 98s, KT, 44+,
I would add game dependant. I personally hardly ever play these,

Hijack, whats what a term for?
Surely not raising a limper as you should be doing that with many more hands than you have listed.

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This just seems way too loose for me and I play 27/19. I am way tighter UTG too...ATo+/KJo+(maybe KT if table is right)/QJo sometimes and 77+. I think it's a really bad idea to play hands like A2s UTG because you're going to be dominated out of position. King Yao even writes a whole section in his short-handed book on how raising KTo from UTG is a mistake (although I'm not sure I agree with him 100%, it is definitely game dependent). I'm not sure any skill advantage can cancel out raising Q9s UTG.

If OP is looking to add hands, add them in back as limping hands like T6s, or open up your steals from CO and dealer when blinds are tight (hands like J7o). Don't add extremely marginal hands UTG as the fact that you are out of position will make them losing plays.
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