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09-27-2005, 01:03 PM
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$22: 55 on BB. MP Min Raises to 300???
Push call or fold? What's the plan?
#Game No : 2784223295 ***** Hand History for Game 2784223295 ***** NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:16115245 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) - Tuesday, September 27, 13:01:14 EDT 2005 Table Table 14864 (Real Money) Seat 7 is the button Total number of players : 7 Seat 1: choeli ( $1815 ) Seat 2: gr8wytehooli ( $490 ) Seat 5: ParmiSS ( $1145 ) Seat 6: SV420 ( $1920 ) Seat 7: MSSTACKS ( $1360 ) Seat 8: pocket2s448 ( $225 ) Seat 9: TheRoyalWee ( $1045 ) Trny:16115245 Level:5 Blinds(75/150) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to TheRoyalWee [ 5h 5s ] choeli folds. gr8wytehooli folds. SV420: man I cant win one ParmiSS raises [300]. SV420 folds. MSSTACKS folds. pocket2s448 folds. SV420: nh TheRoyalWee ??? This was one of those situations where I really had no clue what the right play was. 
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#2
09-27-2005, 02:07 PM
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Re: $22: 55 on BB. MP Min Raises to 300???
i don't like a call, b/c you don't have odds for set value and i'm a coward about playing out of position against a pfr with what's going to be a very dicey hand.
with no reads, i'd fold. if i had some idea this guy was fairly aggro, i'd push.
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#3
09-27-2005, 02:37 PM
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Re: $22: 55 on BB. MP Min Raises to 300???
here in this situation I would highly advocate a push all-in. The reason is as follows:
1)you stack of 1045 relative to the blinds (150+75=225) this taken into consideration you can only go around the table about 4 more times. a)pushing will limit the field b)pushing takes out the consideration of position c)you most likely have the best hand at this point 2)You must take into consideration the type of hands the raiser has been playing, if he's a tight player just fold and save your 300, the fives just won't hold up enough during this stage in the game. all-in is the move I would put serious consideration, either that or just plain fold why waste your cash for a 1 in 11 chance that the board trips. If the borad misses him he's going to bet anyway and your pot odds will justify a fold down on the turn. all-in or fold
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#4
09-27-2005, 02:45 PM
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Re: $22: 55 on BB. MP Min Raises to 300???
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either that or just plain fold why waste your cash for a 1 in 11 chance that the board trips [/ QUOTE ] i guess you're talking about flopping a set? here are some basic odds.... 55 flops set ~1/8.5 55 against KK all-in pre-flop ~19% for 55
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#5
09-27-2005, 02:47 PM
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Re: $22: 55 on BB. MP Min Raises to 300???
i hate the push here. what are you ahead of? 4's and lower, and a flip against what appears to be 2 overs at best. villian is calling your push, no exceptions. you have FE here and there are several left at the table and yet to act for that matter. I am much more willing to push any 2 in position than call with a couple of 5's.
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#7
09-27-2005, 03:21 PM
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Re: $22: 55 on BB. MP Min Raises to 300???
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[ QUOTE ] villian is calling your push, no exceptions. [/ QUOTE ] dude, that's just ridiculous. [/ QUOTE ] Its actually not THAT far off...Id say villain will only fold here maybe 10%. FWIW, if I misclicked raised in villain's shoes id probably call BB's all in with 75% of hands
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#9
09-27-2005, 03:53 PM
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Re: $22: 55 on BB. MP Min Raises to 300???
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] villian is calling your push, no exceptions. [/ QUOTE ] dude, that's just ridiculous. [/ QUOTE ] Its actually not THAT far off...Id say villain will only fold here maybe 10%. FWIW, if I misclicked raised in villain's shoes id probably call BB's all in with 75% of hands [/ QUOTE ] no way.. you're getting 1.8:1, meaning you need to win the hand 36% for neutral chipEV. i'd guess it's something like 40% for $EV, but that's just a rough guess (probably something i should be able to estimate, but anyway). do you think a hand like T7s or K6o is going to be 40% against BB's pushing hands? no way. and they're definitely in the top 75% of hands, however you count it.
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