Reporting collusion on Empire

[TheNoodleMan]

I sent support this email:

The following is a blatant example of collusion. I don't care if these
players are from different states or if they have never played together
before. Asking another player if they are calling is cheating. This could
not be more clear cut. If I do not recieve first place money for this
tournement, I will have no choice but to take my play (along with the
thousands in rake that I pay) elsewhere.
-XXXXX

***** Hand History for Game XXXXXXXXXXX *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:XXXXXXX Level:8
Blinds(200/400) -
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 5: rayjr4 ( $2025 )
Seat 10: zzz_no_more ( $1655 )
Seat 1: <font color="red"> HERO </font> ( $4320 )
Trny:16088106 Level:8
Blinds(200/400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to <font color="red"> HERO </font> [ 9c Kc ]
<font color="red"> HERO </font> is all-In [4320]
&gt;You have options at Table 12772 Table!.
&gt;You have options at Table 12772 Table!.
rayjr4: zzz u calling
&gt;You have options at Table 11105 Table!.
zzz_no_more: sure
rayjr4: ok
rayjr4 is all-In [1825]
&gt;You have options at Table 11105 Table!.
zzz_no_more is all-In [1255]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 4d, 5d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
<font color="red"> HERO </font> shows [ 9c, Kc ] a pair of threes.
rayjr4 shows [ 9d, Ad ] a pair of threes.
zzz_no_more shows [ Ah, 7d ] two pairs, sevens and threes.
<font color="red"> HERO </font> wins 2295 chips from side pot #2 with a pair of threes.
rayjr4 wins 740 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of threes with ace
kicker.
zzz_no_more wins 4965 chips from the main pot

empire response:
<font color="blue">Dear XXXXX,

Thank you for contacting us.

With reference to your mail we have registered a complaint for Inconsistent game play between * rayjr4* and *zzz_no_more*.

Kindly give us 24-48 hours to investigate on this. We will get back to you with our investigation summary through an email.

Contact us anytime, we are available around the clock to assist you with your account related questions and suggestions.

Best Regards,

David Roberts
Investigations Team,
alerts@EmpirePoker.com
www.EmpirePoker.com </font>

I'm sick of this kind of crap. I want justice.

[microbet]

Colluding sucks. They suck at colluding.

[TheNoodleMan]

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Colluding sucks. They suck at colluding.

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thanks for the laugh micro. Sadly thats more than I will likely get out of empire.

[Swax]

Please keep us up to date on this, as I've dealt with this kinda [censored] a lot. I'm really curious to hear how it goes.

Thanks!

[pergesu]

Don't take this as a knock on you at all, because I agree that what happened here was wrong and that you should report it.

Had you won the hand, would you have thought twice about reporting it? I'd probably be like, "Man those guys are pricks...but I won, it's all good."

Again, not a knock on you, I'm just curious if your mentality would be quite different had you won the hand.

[caretaker1]

Out of curiousity, if one player tells another to call a third player's all-in raise (I periodically see this on the bubble in the SNG's), is that reportable collusion?

"God Damnit, I won't holla!"

[TheNoodleMan]

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Don't take this as a knock on you at all, because I agree that what happened here was wrong and that you should report it.

Had you won the hand, would you have thought twice about reporting it? I'd probably be like, "Man those guys are pricks...but I won, it's all good."

Again, not a knock on you, I'm just curious if your mentality would be quite different had you won the hand.

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If the flop came K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I would still report it. It is not about the money. This type of collusion is treated far too casually.

[TheNoodleMan]

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Out of curiousity, if one player tells another to call a third player's all-in raise (I periodically see this on the bubble in the SNG's), is that reportable collusion?

"God Damnit, I won't holla!"

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I think the situation that you describe is poor ettiqutte, but not quite up to collusion, IMO.

[Karak567]

I always tell idiots when they do this that it is wrong. Then they tell me I am full of [censored] and then I report them. I usually get an email back telling me they lost their chat or something.

Good job reporting them; they're ass holes. I doubt you'll get money out of empire. The most that'll come is they'll get their chat revoked.