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Old 09-23-2005, 01:19 PM
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Default 20+2 Am I an idiot or a genius?

No-limit Texas Hold'em $20+$2 (real money),

Seat 1: BusterSafe ($1,480 in chips)
Seat 2: SBBoarder21 ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 3: lassie84 ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 4: Otto74 ($1,480 in chips)
Seat 5: Lauramarie [AD,KD] ($1,480 in chips)
Seat 6: Martwin ($1,080 in chips)
Seat 7: iowalakeslak ($1,980 in chips)
Seat 8: MOMLASAM ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 9: GTWife ($1,500 in chips)
Seat 10: warbx ($1,500 in chips)

ANTES/BLINDS
iowalakeslak posts blind ($10), MOMLASAM posts blind ($20).

PRE-FLOP
GTWife calls $20, warbx folds, BusterSafe folds, SBBoarder21 folds, lassie84 folds, Otto74 folds, Lauramarie bets $80, Martwin folds, iowalakeslak folds, MOMLASAM folds, GTWife calls $60.

FLOP [board cards 3C,JS,7S ]
GTWife checks, Lauramarie bets $150, GTWife calls $150.

TURN [board cards 3C,JS,7S,AS ]
GTWife checks, Lauramarie bets $250, GTWife bets $500, Lauramarie calls $250.

RIVER [board cards 3C,JS,7S,AS,6C ]
GTWife bets $400, Lauramarie calls $400.


Here are my thoughts.

Preflop: Standard Raise.

Flop: Since he checked to me. I put him on Ax up or a small pair that missed.
So I decided to toss in a continuation bet representing a big pair.

When he called. I decided that I was done with the hand unless an A or K came on the turn, which it of course did.

Turn: The Ace is obviously a good card for me, except that it put a flush possibility on board. So when it's checked to me, I put in a half size pot bet for value and to protect against a flush draw.

Unfortunately, he raised me the minimum. I put him on A rag and call with a possible draw to the flush. He could have the flush, but I think his call on the flop is suspicious. I call planning on folding to an all in bet on the river.

River: My opponent makes a suckers bet. I think about folding but then decide there's a good chance that he's a donk and I'll have 300 chips left over in order to make a comeback, so i call.
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:37 PM
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A very difficult hand. I am not sure any of your plays were necessarily incorrect. However, I may not have played it that way, simply because I never like to risk over half my stack that early in a SNG without being nearly SURE I have the best hand. With the third spade on the turn, the flush would definitely come into my mind. The call of your nice value bet would be a typical online chase call. Therefore, despite having top pair top kicker, I would probably have made the value bet on the turn, and then folded to the raise on the turn. That way, I still have plenty of chips to work with.

I generally do not concern myself with laying down what might be the best hand, so long as I got plenty of chips to work with still. I assume that I can find more sure spots to bust the donks later.
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: 20+2 Am I an idiot or a genius?

Why did you bet the turn when it is3 flush on the board??

You did have position so why dont check on the turn after he checks??

And can somone tell me what a "Sucker bet is"
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:40 PM
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Default Re: 20+2 Am I an idiot or a genius?

Hey Laura, the HH is a little difficult to read. It's much easier to review when they're converted.
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: 20+2 Am I an idiot or a genius?

[ QUOTE ]
Why did you bet the turn when it is3 flush on the board??

You did have position so why dont check on the turn after he checks??

[/ QUOTE ]If he's on a flush draw you don't want to give him a free card, do you?
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: 20+2 Am I an idiot or a genius?

I agree - a value bet on the turn is fine. But I think you fold to even a min raise to conserve your valuable tourney chips, even if the guy is a donk with an arag.
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:48 PM
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Default Re: 20+2 Am I an idiot or a genius?

Well hope i dont read it wrong but ddamn if he has flsuhdraw playing like that. Whit so litle impaled odds whit that raise.

I think more that he has like AJ or has a flush.
But he could have KJ whit spade. I think check behind is the best play here. (Not always ofcourse)
But it is "what i think"

hmm
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:50 PM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default Re: 20+2 Am I an idiot or a genius?

on the turn, given the way it was played I'm likely to push AI or muck. I don't like calling and then continuing this hand. Leave yourself with lots of chips or none (if you assume he's a donkey). I think its a mistake to leave yourself shortstacked.
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:50 PM
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I don't think you did anything wrong in the hand. There are arguments for calling the turn bet and arguments for folding. What was the result?
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Old 09-23-2005, 01:56 PM
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Default Re: 20+2 Am I an idiot or a genius?

I check the turn, and call a half to pot-sized bet on the river if it is not a spade. It’s early, and controlling the size of the pot on this tricky board is critical. There are too many holdings that beat TPTK at this point…A J, Set, Flush.
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