Stack size question -- when do you fold?

dtbog · #1 09-22-2005, 11:40 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($82.33)
MP ($200.05)
CO ($114.65)
Button ($28.26)
Hero ($99)
BB ($81.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, CO raises to $4, Button calls $4, Hero (poster) calls $3.50, BB calls $3, UTG calls $3, MP calls $3.

Flop: ($24) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $8, CO calls $8, Button folds, Hero raises to $36, BB folds, UTG pushes ($42.33 more) 2 folds, Hero calls $42.33.

What makes you fold here?

I was thinking I couldn't call if we each had $200 more, but this came at the right price.

Comments?

Ghazban · #2 09-22-2005, 11:48 AM

If I were deep enough to consider folding, I'd also have been at the table long enough with somebody else who is as deep to have a read.

Godfather80 · #3 09-22-2005, 11:48 AM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($82.33)
MP ($200.05)
CO ($114.65)
Button ($28.26)
Hero ($99)
BB ($81.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, CO raises to $4, Button calls $4, Hero (poster) calls $3.50, BB calls $3, UTG calls $3, MP calls $3.

Flop: ($24) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $8, CO calls $8, Button folds, Hero raises to $36, BB folds, UTG pushes ($42.33 more) 2 folds, Hero calls $42.33.

What makes you fold here?

I was thinking I couldn't call if we each had $200 more, but this came at the right price.

Comments?

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The only thing that makes me fold here is a good read. As stacks get bigger, UTG's push seems stranger and stranger and less likely to be from a better hand.

jkkkk · #4 09-22-2005, 11:49 AM

I usually lead-call this flop, lead the turn.

How much? I think it depends upon read as well as stack size, without a read I probably fold if someone (unknown) pushes for an extra 80-100BB on the turn. But if you have a read you can get away for less.

dtbog · #5 09-22-2005, 11:52 AM

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If I were deep enough to consider folding, I'd also have been at the table long enough with somebody else who is as deep to have a read.

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Very good point.

BobboFitos · #6 09-22-2005, 01:20 PM

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Stack size question -- when do you fold?

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sometimes preflop

#7 09-22-2005, 01:45 PM

He was getting really good odds on his suited connects to lay that down preflop, not to mention implied odds.

BobboFitos · #8 09-22-2005, 01:52 PM

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He was getting really good odds on his suited connects to lay that down preflop, not to mention implied odds.

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I understand all this. Read his question, then get back to me

yvesaint · #9 09-22-2005, 01:56 PM

I dont like the check-raise. It signals strength, and I think you're only going to get called by AA-QQ (if they are donkish enough), a better 6, and TT.

I like lead-call, lead turn better.

nebben · #10 09-22-2005, 02:04 PM

I dont get what we can put the UTG pusher on.
Thats weak pf with TT so I dont think youre up against a full house (6-10) also seems unlikely. is he donkish enough to do this with an oesd?
How about the 78s? the good news is, if its a bigger 6-7 connector, you only have to catch one card bigger than his kicker, so you have a chance to catch up.
Could he have say A-6h here?
A-6 is my best guess.