loooose table

aslowjoe · #1 09-18-2005, 03:01 AM

Both hands same table. The majority of the table was passive and extemely loose with a smidge of aggresion pre flop
after 15 hands.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, MP raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP calls.

River: (10.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Same table Bttn was the most aggresive player at the table post flop.
MP was about a 20% pfr over 20 hands but passive post flop.. A 3bet wouldnt have produced any more folds as BB was 70%vpip. and UTG was well over 60VPIP

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG folds, MP folds.

Turn: (6 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

7ontheline · #2 09-18-2005, 03:10 AM

I wonder about the 3-bet in hand 1. It's a pretty drawless board, so a bet and then a raise in front of you gives me pause. I like the turn and the river for sure. I think if you knew the MP's and BB's betting tendencies I would feel better about the flop. I don't think it's too bad, but reads would help a lot.

Hand 2 looks perfect given your read on the button.

Hand 2

aslowjoe · #3 09-18-2005, 03:29 AM

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wonder about the 3-bet in hand 1. It's a pretty drawless board, so a bet and then a raise in front of you gives me pause

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Yes I pondered that for a while. I thought there was a good chance I was behind but I did have a back door flush and st8 draw. I thought the 3 bet would clear out the field then the hand would play itself as it did.
I guess the 3 bet eliminated everybody but the players that I was behind. Still not sure. Lots of options here not sure what is best.

Nick C · #4 09-18-2005, 04:10 AM

In the first hand, my initial thought was that I would fold the flop, but then with your backdoors to go with top pair, I'm not sure folding is such a good idea. But is there much chance your hand is best? If not, I'm thinking cold-calling might be something to consider. But then I kind of want to raise if I'm playing, but then I also wonder what that's going to accomplish, exactly.

Ugh. I don't know. Tough spot.

In hand 2, I wish I had a better heart, but since I don't, I would consider folding the flop. I'm not sure what's best, though.

On the river, it's possible I would have folded, but I think I like your call better.

aslowjoe · #5 09-18-2005, 01:09 PM

Other opinions?

Poldi · #6 09-18-2005, 02:41 PM

Hand 1 looks good. Without the backdoor draws the flop would be a fold.
Hand 2 I fold the river, I dont think he bets anything you beat here.