countering someone who knows the w/a, w/b line

[Wynton]

Assume you know the villain is aware of the w/a, w/b line.

You raise with JJ utg. Villain reraises from co. Flop is A82, rainbow. You bet the flop, and villain raises.

If he's got something like AK or AQ, that presumably means he should adopt the wa/wb line, correct? Thus, when villain raises the flop, can we reliably infer he does not have an A (or even KK or QQ)? In that case, what is the best line to take?

[brettbrettr]

Wouldn't he be more apt to go wa/wb if you'd capped pre-flop?

Check/call turn and bet the river unless a K or Q hits (then check/call).

[BIGRED]

but what is wa/wb?

[Wynton]

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but what is wa/wb?

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It means a person is either way ahead or way behind his opponent, e.g., the person who is behind only has 2 outs.

Is the w/a, w/b line where he calls your flop bet, in order to raise you on the turn in order to get an extra sb ?

[Surfbullet]

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Is the w/a, w/b line where he calls your flop bet, in order to raise you on the turn in order to get an extra sb ?

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The w/a, w/b line is to make sure 1 bet goes in on each street. In position it is calling when bet at and betting when checked to. OOP it is check-call, check-call, bet.

Surf

[Surfbullet]

Hey Wynton,

I assume you capped pf? Now, AK doesn't need the WA/WB line since it's only WB of AA. AQ maybe. I would call the flop + turn, and think about betting the river unless the player was very aggressive and would be likely to bet it for me with a worse hand.

Surf

[kidcolin]

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Is the w/a, w/b line where he calls your flop bet, in order to raise you on the turn in order to get an extra sb ?

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Not necessarily. It means, based on the preflop action and the content of the flop, your hand is either killing the other guys or it is being killed. If you're OOP, w/a, w/b line usually means just check-calling and betting the river. If you're in position, it means just call any bets and bet when checked to. A raise on the river is sometimes appropriate if you're pretty sure you're on the 'ahead' side of things.

Say you raise UTG with ATs and get 3-bet. You call and it's heads up to the flop. It is A x x (no two pair for you). If he has KK-JJ, he'll likely bet when checked to, but might lay it down if you check-raise or something. Also, if he has AK-AJ, you're totally squashed but you want to showdown. So just check-call.

[Wynton]

Actually, Surf, this was a hypothetical and, frankly, I didn't give thought about the pf action that much. Now I see that the pf action could make a difference.

My purpose in the post was simply to contemplate whether there was a good way of taking advantage of someone who you assume would take the wa/wb line when they were, in fact, wa or wb. Perhaps the example isn't the best one I could have used for the discussion?